You Can Help Save The Planet With These 15 (Somewhat) Easy Steps

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#1
  1. Not Driving A Big Car All Over The Place By Yourself

Sorry I like driving my big truck everywhere by myself.

  1. Not Having Lots Of Kids

Sorry already had five.

  1. Don’t Idle Your Car
    OK I can do this

  2. Don’t Eat Lots Of Meat

Sorry no way no way the planet is lost got to have my meat

  1. Don’t Vote for Climate Change-Denying And Pro-Oil Representatives

OK I can do this but others here will vote for them anyway.

  1. Don’t Take A Really Long Shower

Sorry but if she in there with me it going to be long long.

  1. Avoid Buying Things From China

I would love to but we do not make anything here anymore

  1. Stop Wasting Paper

Not my fault I did not make computers and cheap printers that make it easy to generate more paper.

  1. Avoid Flying Across The Country Multiple Times A Year

Got this one cover not flying anytime soon. Well maybe not if my ticket wins the 400 million. Would just have to see Australia

  1. Don’t Waste Food

That depends on who cook it.

  1. Quit Eating Out Of Season

Never seen any food called Out of Season but if it is good I will eat it.

  1. Stop Using As Much Electricity And Unplug When Possible

Then stop making great gadgets that need it.

  1. Cut Back On Air Conditioner Use

No way ever been in the South in July but if I move back to Calif. then OK do not need it there.

  1. Don’t Worsen America’s Dog Obsession

If I did that who would the cats have to run off.

  1. Seal Up Your House

I would but my wife has the duck tape.

What the heck The world not worth saving anyway China owns 90 percent of it know. And the other 10 percent is own by Bill Gates


#2

This list was probably put together by Al Gore. One of the planets super consumers and most profound hypocrites. :wink:


#3
  1. Not Driving A Big Car All Over The Place By Yourself
    If everything was easily accessible by walking or bike i’d do that. Petrol is insanely expensive.

  2. Not Having Lots Of Kids
    Check

  3. Don’t Idle Your Car
    Not in the freezin winter. I want to defrost my car within 3 seconds.

  4. Don’t Eat Lots Of Meat
    That is not gonna happen

  5. Don’t Vote for Climate Change-Denying And Pro-Oil Representatives
    Gee. So i should find someone to vote on who will no change his mind when he’s in control then. Hmm… Let me get back on that.

  6. Don’t Take A Really Long Shower
    That is not gonna happen.

  7. Avoid Buying Things From China
    That is very impossible.

  8. Stop Wasting Paper
    So what should i wipe with?

  9. Avoid Flying Across The Country Multiple Times A Year
    You already took care of that when you got scared of terrorism

  10. Don’t Waste Food
    If you can teach that to my offspring i’d be most grateful. Till that time…

  11. Quit Eating Out Of Season
    Because the other side of our planet may not sell us food?

  12. Stop Using As Much Electricity And Unplug When Possible
    Any idea how difficult it is to unplug everything before going to bed? I’ve got tons of adapters. I wish they were all smart adapters that auto shut down when no current is drawn.

  13. Cut Back On Air Conditioner Use
    I don’t have one. Except in my car. And i love that thing.

  14. Don’t Worsen America’s Dog Obsession
    As a European i don’t see how i’m gonna do that

  15. Seal Up Your House
    I’m not putting Seal on my house. Hearing ’ A kiss from a rose ’ each and every day. no thanks.


#4

I’m glad to see UTR supporting Tenn’s child porn GOP instead of Gore. SUCH a better choice for UTR!


#5

Quite a leap to go from Al Gore being a proven hypocrite to me supporting child porn. I guess we need that new forum after all. :wink:


#6

Welp, I’m confused by the last two posts. Anyone care to explain?


#7

Are we missing something Albert


#8

[QUOTE=Albert;2712887]Welp, I’m confused by the last two posts. Anyone care to explain?[/QUOTE]I don’t think it’s that hard to piece together though the connections are extremely dubious and highly absurd.

UTR criticized Algore, which apparently was the instigation for Christine to go into an attack on what she assumes are UTR political beliefs by somehow trying to associate him with this story.


#9

I told you idiots are everywhere.

It was sad to see millions of South Koreans copying those things from pathetic citizens of the USA.

Al Gore or not, none of those US politicians seems to support the idea of leaving the American continent entirely to return to northern Germanic lands if saving fossil energy resource and restoring land to preindustrialism were such priorities.

Leaving the planet alone should mean leaving the planet as well though it should generate far more CO2 to send 7 billion humans outside Earth orbit.


#10

Kenshin, I look at current events through the lens of humans’ long term history. Mankind has been migrating to new areas, overtaking territory from existing habitants for most of our history. Koreans, Chinese, Japanese etc. have been doing as long as anyone and arguably longer than Europeans. Europeans have just been the most current to do it successfully and on a global scale.

IMO, the only way to reduce humans’ impact on the planet is to have fewer of us around. The only proven way to accomplish this without mass genocide is to improve the standard of living for the humans currently living. One just has to look at Japan, European countries, the USA etc. to see that increasing the standard of living of a society stunts its population growth and actually results in a population decline.

So to save the planet from humans we have to consume more now so that in the end we will consume less. I find the whole process to be quite ironic.


#11

[QUOTE=Albert;2712887]Welp, I’m confused by the last two posts. Anyone care to explain?[/QUOTE]

Stereodude nailed it.


#12

People just don’t realize the importance of keeping this world “in shape”. Stupidity rules.
Bless


#13

People aren’t any different than most plants and animals on the planet. Almost any species will proliferate until something forces it back in balance with nature or it goes extinct. Humans like to think we can, and do, operate outside the laws of nature but this isn’t true. If a severe enough hardship befalls us as a species, I suspect we will degenerate to the base instincts of most other animals on the planet facing the same.


#14

[QUOTE=Stereodude;2712894]I don’t think it’s that hard to piece together though the connections are extremely dubious and highly absurd.

UTR criticized Algore, which apparently was the instigation for Christine to go into an attack on what she assumes are UTR political beliefs by somehow trying to associate him with this story.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UTR;2712909]Stereodude nailed it.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Carry on.


#15

[QUOTE=UTR;2712908]Kenshin, I look at current events through the lens of humans’ long term history. Mankind has been migrating to new areas, overtaking territory from existing habitants for most of our history. Koreans, Chinese, Japanese etc. have been doing as long as anyone and arguably longer than Europeans. Europeans have just been the most current to do it successfully and on a global scale.

IMO, the only way to reduce humans’ impact on the planet is to have fewer of us around. The only proven way to accomplish this without mass genocide is to improve the standard of living for the humans currently living. One just has to look at Japan, European countries, the USA etc. to see that increasing the standard of living of a society stunts its population growth and actually results in a population decline.

So to save the planet from humans we have to consume more now so that in the end we will consume less. I find the whole process to be quite ironic.[/QUOTE]

That is a contradictory and dangerous conclusion. Imagine the rest of the world living like Texans and Norwegians. Per capita land requirement and fossile energy resource will increase virtually overnight by not two times but thousands of times.


#16
  1. Not Driving A Big Car All Over The Place By Yourself

I don’t own a car, but I do own a 4x4 pickup truck, but it’s a Ford Ranger with a V6 that typically gets 20mpg highway.
I’ll drive something else when they abolish winter.
(Hurray for global warming! pity it’s a pipe dream)

  1. Not Having Lots Of Kids
    Don’t have any, but my Brother has four.

  2. Don’t Idle Your Car
    My truck warms up within 2 miles, and since where I live the nearest place to even buy gas or a can of Pepsi or a gallon of gas is a bit over five miles…

  3. Don’t Eat Lots Of Meat

I’ll eat as much as I can get and you can have my share of the Tofu
and Vegie burgers.

If that don’t do it for you I have appropriate hand gestures for both you
and the horse and the horse you rode in on.

  1. Don’t Vote for Climate Change-Denying And Pro-Oil Representatives

Climate change is NOT “man made” and anyone who believes it is, is mentally ill.

  1. Don’t Take A Really Long Shower

I’ll take as long of a shower as I need, mostly to wash all the soap off, because where I live there is NEVER a fresh water shortage (My own weld) and my “conserving water” will not help people who live where there is a shortage.

  1. Avoid Buying Things From China

Which China? My Desktop computer is from Taiwan
My Notebook from Singapore, my Tablet From Malaysia.
Both of my flat screen TV’s and Bluray players are made in Korea.

Amusingly my American truck has a German engine and a Japanese
Manual transmission. (MORE Amusingly identical trucks with auto transmissions have transmissions built in France (unsurprisingly they
are incredibly failure prone))

  1. Stop Wasting Paper

I pay ALL my bills on-line but the utility and mortgage companies
keep mailing me paper bills even though I’ve repeatedly told them to stop. So THEY are wasting paper.

  1. Avoid Flying Across The Country Multiple Times A Year

I haven’t flown anywhere since July of 2001, and will not until I win the lottery and buy my own damned airplane, at which point I’ll tell you where to put your opinion…

  1. Don’t Waste Food

That depends on who cook it.
I’ll add an “Amen” here with a note that while my GF could burn water
while attempting to boil it, I’m a much better cook than any woman
I’ve been in a relationship with.

  1. Quit Eating Out Of Season

I’m sorry, but Life without fresh tomatos for my salad is not one
I’ll happily embrace. my lettuce comes from the other side of the continent. I could grow it myself IF I was willing to pay an armed guard to protect it 24hours a day (or a cat I never feed but teach to hunt rabbits)

  1. Stop Using As Much Electricity And Unplug When Possible

I have phased out most of my CFL bulbs and am replacing the rest by attrition

I think CFL bulbs were a SCAM from start to finish.

  1. Cut Back On Air Conditioner Use

Don’t own one, but the A/C in my truck works… and frankly my truck gets better mileage with the A/C on than with the windows open

  1. Don’t Worsen America’s Dog Obsession

Dogs are dirty animals

  1. Seal Up Your House

My house is so “tight” I need to keep a window cracked to prevent shutting down the draft to my COAL stove.

That my way of reducing my dependence on “Foreign oil”

Anyone who has a problem with that can either buy me oil,
pay my electric bill or refer to the "appropriate hand gestures"
mentioned above for both you and your horse.


#17

[QUOTE=Kenshin;2712966]That is a contradictory and dangerous conclusion. Imagine the rest of the world living like Texans and Norwegians. Per capita land requirement and fossile energy resource will increase virtually overnight by not two times but thousands of times.[/QUOTE]

The standard of living can’t increase to these levels overnight and it really isn’t possible for the entire world to have the same living conditions. It wouldn’t take every person on the planet living to the same standards as people in Europe, the USA, Japan etc. It just needs to be a decent improvement relative to their current living standards. Look at the areas on the planet where population growth is the fastest and it is usually the poorest people on the planet with a high infant mortality rate.

The rub to population control is that eventually the average age of the population will skew to a much higher age for a period of time. This puts a lot of economic pressure on the working population. Japan, Europe and the USA are all facing the growth of retirement age population. China has eased the one child policy in an effort to try and avoid this problem but I think some of the reason they can consider this is due to marginal increases in its peoples’ standard of living. However, once these groups of older people people die off then this pressure will end and populations will stabilize at a lower number and the standard of living will not be as taxing on resources. Downward adjustment to long term population growth are being made as the previous predictions of growth are proving to be inaccurate so as the world’s standard of living improves population growth is slowing down. It will likely take 100+ years before population growth goes negative if trends continue.


#18

[QUOTE=UTR;2713071]The standard of living can’t increase to these levels overnight and it really isn’t possible for the entire world to have the same living conditions. It wouldn’t take every person on the planet living to the same standards as people in Europe, the USA, Japan etc. It just needs to be a decent improvement relative to their current living standards. Look at the areas on the planet where population growth is the fastest and it is usually the poorest people on the planet with a high infant mortality rate.

The rub to population control is that eventually the average age of the population will skew to a much higher age for a period of time. This puts a lot of economic pressure on the working population. Japan, Europe and the USA are all facing the growth of retirement age population. China has eased the one child policy in an effort to try and avoid this problem but I think some of the reason they can consider this is due to marginal increases in its peoples’ standard of living. However, once these groups of older people people die off then this pressure will end and populations will stabilize at a lower number and the standard of living will not be as taxing on resources. Downward adjustment to long term population growth are being made as the previous predictions of growth are proving to be inaccurate so as the world’s standard of living improves population growth is slowing down. It will likely take 100+ years before population growth goes negative if trends continue.[/QUOTE]

So you are justifying your way of living that is harmful to everyone else, but you don’t expect six billion out of seven billion to adopt your way of living so that they can in turn waste natural resources as fast as you have done?

The United States have continued wasting more and increasing its population at the same time. But the United States has also been the loudest place asking the rest of the world (especially those countries that spend least and lowest per capita) to go back to preindustrial state.

You don’t want to live in smaller sized homes. You don’t want to replace your large cars with 600-cc cars. But you tell everyone else living like the way native tribes in the Americas and African rain forests have lived.

People are idiots all over the world with highly intelligent people accounting for less than 0.01% of the given population. People are about equally greedy and become greedier when they are accustomed to wealth and start the never-ending habits of accumulating wealth and wasting precious resources. Chinese living in rural areas are still more than 1 billion, more than three times of the US population. Whether you want to pretend or not, they have the same rights if there’s any degree of justice to anything you have said about human rights and freedom and they will in time want and die to acquire houses and land and consume as much electricity and petroleum as you will - meaning something like 3000x increase, not 3x or 30x.

Almost anything the Westerners are now saying on issues like population control and global warming is extremely hypocritical. I can understand if you are saying something about economic feasibility or doing something in the same of (industrial, technological, scientific, whatever) progress. But now most of you are doing that in the name of equality, freedom, liberation, peace, happiness, and whatever that sounds pleasing to children brainwashed with heavily one-sided view of history of socioeconomic human evolution.

I specifically mentioned the United States because the nation generates the most noise through idiotic books, movies, documentaries, and other types of mass media and it’s common within the US those that spend the most tend to make the loudest noise. Saving US$20,000 a year by a person spending $50,000,000 is not enough. Since the person usually implies the weakest have to suffer the fate of having to live the rest of their lives in permanent poverty and ignorance when he/she says SAVE, the only morally correct thing’s in this case returning the specific person’s status to spend $200 a year.


#19

Kenshin! Let me shake your hand, witch basically means I come unarmed.

You’ve got a good point.


#20

It really doesn’t matter once the population hits 8 billion+. The planet won’t be able to support that many people. Looks like the human race is on the road to extinction and playing Politics is not going to help one bit.