Xcopy 1-4x BD-R actually with Verbatim Mid Fake/Real?

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#1

So the other week I needed some bluray disks for my steam game folder backups (~500GB).

Anyway I was walking through the local computer market looking for some cheap BD-R disks and I found a 25pk of 1-4x Xcopy branded BD-R disks for $18. They were cheap enough to take a chance on them so I picked up a single pack.

When I eventually got around to it I put one of these disks im my PC and IMGburn reported the MID as VERBAT-ime-000.

Now to the point.

I simply want to know if these are legit Verbatim Mids or if they are just fakes.

Unfortunately I do not have a drive that can scan the burn to verify but here is the IMGburn disk report:

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 12,219,392
Free Space: 25,025,314,816 bytes
Free Time: 2715:27:17 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
Current Read Speed: 0x

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: VERBAT-IMe-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Disc Time Stamp: 03/2010
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.50nm (25GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494

and the Discspeed readings:

Nero DiscSpeed: Disc Info
Basic Information
 Disc type:     : BD-R
 MID            : VERBATIMe (000)
 Write speeds:  : 2.0 X - 4.0 X - 6.0 X - 8.0 X - 10.0 X - 12.0 X
 Blank Capacity : 22.56 GB
                : 23098 MB
                : 24220008448 bytes
Extended Information
 Layers         : 1
 Disc Status    : Empty
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 44 49 01 28 00 00 62 00 42 44 52 01 12 01 00 00 - DI.(..b.BDR.....
0010 - 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 19 4E 7E - ..............N~
0020 - 01 EC 64 64 28 28 28 28 1E 1E 1E 1E 00 00 00 00 - ..dd((((........
0030 - 63 66 72 04 04 32 1E 96 80 00 00 00 00 08 08 08 - cfr..2..........
0040 - 08 10 10 10 10 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 - .....H.H.H.H.H.H
0050 - 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 48 00 80 80 A0 - .H.H.H.H.H.H....
0060 - C0 E0 00 00 56 45 52 42 41 54 49 4D 65 7D A3 00 - ....VERBATIMe}..

If anyone can verify these as legit disks please let me know so I can buy a few cake boxes while they are cheap.

Thanks


#2

I am curious to know what are the hub code and stamper code? Hub code is located in the clear center hub, the stamper code can be seen by shining a flashlight on the recording side of the disc and locating it in a small dark band a short distance from the hub in the recording surface. Examples of these codes can be found in this thread. Is there a country of origin listed on the spindle label?


#3

There is no country of Origin listed anywhere that I can see but the writing looks pretty close to Japanese (from my extremely limited understanding and some google translations).

Hub code: BRF602PH12025392 9 RB R3 (My eyes suck so I can be 100% sure on this 1)
Stamper code: ZE4635-MK-BX6A031

and a barcode on the label surrounding the spindle:

4 711845 879916

I can also tell you that these disks happily burn @ 12x in my Pioneer BDR-206, 10x in my LG BH10LS30 and 6x in my LG BT20N (USB 2.0 External) and have 100% perfect playback in my picky bluray player.


#4

A quick guess is that those are legitimate, though possibly part of a ‘batch’ that overall failed to meet quality specifications. (That doesn’t mean the discs you have will be horrible; it just means that you aren’t guaranteed to get the same quality out of another pack, if you even get the same disc model).


#5

[QUOTE=g3monster;2653761]There is no country of Origin listed anywhere that I can see but the writing looks pretty close to Japanese (from my extremely limited understanding and some google translations).

Hub code: BRF602PH12025392 9 RB R3 (My eyes suck so I can be 100% sure on this 1)
Stamper code: ZE4635-MK-BX6A031

and a barcode on the label surrounding the spindle:

4 711845 879916

I can also tell you that these disks happily burn @ 12x in my Pioneer BDR-206, 10x in my LG BH10LS30 and 6x in my LG BT20N (USB 2.0 External) and have 100% perfect playback in my picky bluray player.[/QUOTE]

Those media are definitely legitimate and were made by CMC Magnetics, which is the biggest OEM manufacturer partner of Verbatim/Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation.


#6

[QUOTE=g3monster;2653761]There is no country of Origin listed anywhere that I can see but the writing looks pretty close to Japanese (from my extremely limited understanding and some google translations).

Hub code: BRF602PH12025392 9 RB R3 (My eyes suck so I can be 100% sure on this 1)
Stamper code: ZE4635-MK-BX6A031

and a barcode on the label surrounding the spindle:

4 711845 879916

I can also tell you that these disks happily burn @ 12x in my Pioneer BDR-206, 10x in my LG BH10LS30 and 6x in my LG BT20N (USB 2.0 External) and have 100% perfect playback in my picky bluray player.[/QUOTE]Thank you. It certainly appears that these are from the same manufacturing line as the Verbatim branded BD-R. The fact that Verbatim sells these as 6x and your Xcopy are labeled 1-4x BD-R leads me to agree with Albert that these may be discs that fell a little short of the spec that Verbatim requires. Glad to hear that they are burning well, but I would suggest following the manufacturers advice and burning them at their rated speed.

[QUOTE=pepst;2653763]Those media are definitely legitimate and were made by CMC Magnetics, which is the biggest OEM manufacturer partner of Verbatim/Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Peter. Have you run into CMC selling some of their Verbatim production runs under off-brand labels before?


#7

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2653788]Thanks, Peter. Have you run into CMC selling some of their Verbatim production runs under off-brand labels before?[/QUOTE]

Yes, many times, at least when it comes to CD-R/DVDR media. There were/are literally tens of local and E-Net’s (infamous European distributor of low quality and fake media) brands selling B-grade or reprinted CMC Magnetics made media with MCC’s ATIP/MID codes.


#8

I should have been more specific. I was wondering if you have heard of CMC releasing their Verbatim BD-Rs under other brand labels?


#9

Not until now. Probably, they aren’t cheap enough and the companies which rebrand/sold budget media do not have any reasons to prefer them over the much cheaper BD-Rs made by MBIL or Chinese manufacturers.