Xbox360: ImgBurn?, CloneCD?, Xbox Backup Creator?

vbimport

#1

Hello, Im new to these forums… so be gentle. Ive been told that the folk around here are the brightest when it comes to cd/dvd burning questions… so I figured I would drop mine into the pool.

I plan to backup my Xbox360 games. Heres what I have…

  • Samsung SH-D162C hacked with Kreon firmware (for dumping my games to PC)
  • Pioneer 111D (for burning my games to DVD)
  • Firmware Hacked Xbox360 with a Hitachi Drive
  • and I have a payload of Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x discs

My question is… what is the best choice in software to burn my backups? Right now Im using schtrom to rip my backups off the samsung, and gives me an .ISO and .DVD file. But, I havent started burning to DVD yet, because I dont know what software/process to use.

Ive primarily seen people talk about ImgBurn and Clone CD for xbox 360 backups. So what should I use? How do I use it? Ive read that with some software you use the .dvd file, and some you dont… some you insert layerbreak info, some you dont…etc. Im just not clear on the process, so if anyone could help me out, I would really appreciate it.

thanks all :cool:


#2

okay first of all , congrats on the tools of choice :slight_smile: you have made some excellent choices :bow: youve gone quality all the way :clap:

now for the burning choices , imgburn works good as long as its set up right which isnt hard to do and of course is free.

clonecd is indeed a great application so is worth a purchase if you have the spare cash/bucks.

as for the layer break info there is no need to set this with imgburn as long as you have the latest version its all automatic :wink:

i personally use xbox backup creator now to create my files and plus it burns them too :iagree: :cool:

check your pm :smiley:


#3

thanks a bunch bud, I really appreciate you sharing your wisdom with a noobish fellow like myself.


#4

just make sure you booktype the media with your pioneer 111d , use firmware 1.29


#5

Im rather confused about all this booktype/ ROM setting talk…

As I understand, the pioneer 111D is ready to burn 360 games out-of-the-box, without any firmware upgrades, or modifications. Its also my understanding that with other burners you need to set the mode to DVD-ROM, but apparently the pioneer 111d does that by default.

So heres my question…

Ill be getting the Pioneer 111D and an external enclosure for it in the mail tomorrow. After I tear that box open like a kid on christmas, what do I need to do? How are is the install for an internal enclosure? Do I need to update the firmware?.. any nuggets of wisdom here are much appreciated:)


#6

Pioneer’s auto bitset dual layer media to dvd-rom…so you don’t need to bitset (you wouldn’t be able to anyway ;). As to updating the fw on your 111d, you don’t need to.


#7

Ok ive got a bit of a problem. Went to the store yesterday and bought some cheap philips dvd+r dl disks, because they were on sale. Tryed to burn a virtua tennis game i dled, on imgburn and i ended up getting alot of errors at around 80% burn completion. ( im just gonna post the whole log)

I 21:37:39 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 21:37:39 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 21:37:39 Total Physical Memory: 523,564 KB - Available: 136,592 KB
W 21:37:39 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
W 21:37:39 Drive H:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
I 21:37:39 Initialising SPTI…
I 21:37:39 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 21:37:39 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 21:56:54 Operation Started!
I 21:56:54 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\all-vrt3.dvd
I 21:56:54 Source File Sectors: 3,697,696 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:56:54 Source File Size: 7,572,881,408 bytes
I 21:56:54 Source File Volume Identifier: XGD2DVD_NTSC
I 21:56:54 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1
I 21:56:54 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 21:56:54 Destination Device: [3:0:0] SONY DVD RW DRU-820A 1.0c (E:) (ATA)
I 21:56:54 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D04-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)
I 21:56:54 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 21:56:54 Write Mode: DVD
I 21:56:54 Write Type: DAO
I 21:56:54 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 21:56:54 Link Size: Auto
I 21:56:54 Test Mode: No
I 21:56:54 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 21:56:54 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
I 21:57:34 Filling Buffer… (20 MB)
I 21:57:35 Writing LeadIn…
I 21:57:38 Writing Image… (LBA: 0 - 3697695)
I 21:57:38 Writing Layer 0… (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 22:17:27 Writing Layer 1… (LBA: 1913760 - 3697695)
W 22:29:14 Failed to Write Sectors 3011648 - 3011679 - Write Error
W 22:29:14 Retrying (1 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (2 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (3 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (4 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (5 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (6 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (7 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (8 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (9 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (10 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (11 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (12 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (13 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (14 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (15 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (16 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (17 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (18 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (19 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (20 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:47 Retrying (21)…
W 22:35:47 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:48 Retrying (22)…
W 22:35:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:49 Retrying (23)…
W 22:35:49 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:49 Retrying (24)…
W 22:35:49 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:50 Retrying (25)…
W 22:35:50 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (26)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (27)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (28)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:36:05 Retrying (29)…
W 22:36:05 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:36:06 Retrying (30)…
W 22:36:06 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
E 22:36:07 Failed to Write Sectors 3011648 - 3011679 - Write Error
I 22:36:07 Synchronising Cache…
I 22:36:08 Closing Track…
I 22:36:09 Finalising Disc…
W 22:37:03 Potential ‘WaitImmediateIO’ Deferred Error - (0/2) - Write Error
E 22:37:41 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 22:37:41 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)…
E 22:37:41 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
E 22:37:41 Failed to Write Image!
E 22:37:41 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:40:47
I 22:37:41 Average Write Rate: 2,609 KB/s (1.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,360 KB/s (2.4x)

So ive wasted 1 disk, and i dont actually know why becuase I set the booktype to dvd-rom, and the layer break to to 1913670, and i ended up with these errors. Today i tried to burn another copy with clonecd instead. Burning again at 2.4x speed. This is my log…

I 1:01:22 PM CloneCD Version 5.3.0.1 started!
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyCDIO Driver 6.0.0.1
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyCDIO.dll 6.0.5.1
I 1:01:22 PM CCDDriver.dll 5.0.0.1
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyECC.dll 4.0.0.0
I 1:01:22 PM WriteDVD.dll 2.6.3.1
I 1:01:22 PM Registered to: Giancarlo Bettini, CEO SlySoft Inc.
I 1:01:22 PM Searching for SCSI/ATAPI devices…
I 1:01:31 PM Device Scan found 1 CD-ROMs and 2 CD-Writers!
I 1:02:11 PM Starting copy from C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\all-vrt3.dvd to SONY DVD RW DRU-820A
I 1:02:11 PM Write Speed: 2x
I 1:02:11 PM Writing Session 1 LeadIn…
I 1:03:00 PM Writing Session 1 image file…
I 1:33:56 PM Duration of operation: 00:31:45
I 1:33:56 PM Average Speed: 3048 kBytes/s (2.26)
E 1:33:59 PM Writing to SONY DVD RW DRU-820A failed!

Once again the burning has failed. and i dont know why :(. It set the layer break to 1913670, and you cant booktype to dvd-rom in clonecd as it does it automaticlly for most drives. The thing is even if it diidnt booktype… the dvd should always still finsh burning and not get errors. I am very conserned if i am doing something wrong or it is the phillips media dvd+r disks. Im doubting it is my burner since it is nearly brand new and has all of the features and lastest firmwares for burning dual layer disks.

Here are some screenshots of the err msgs i had in imgburn.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1733/err1rs0.png
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6841/err3rb0.png
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5125/err4qn5.png

                                      Thanks alot for you help.

#8

according to your imgburn log your file system is FAT32…not sure how you were able to extract a file bigger than 4 GB to your hdd, but you need to convert to NTFS

see this thread on how to do it:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=211001

also, your 360 image may be damaged since your filesystem is FAT32 and not NTFS…I’m not sure, so don’t quote me on any of this…you might wanna research it further or wait for someone else to reply.

go here for further info on how to convert from FAT32 to NTFS:

http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/computing/windows/xpfattontfs.htm


#9

He burns from drive C which seems to be NTFS. His problem is the media, CMC based dual layer media with a Sony burner… very bad combination. :smiley:

regards, Stephen

the key word is that the media was CHEAP. So is its quality…


#10

this is my first time finding out about backing up the 360 games so bare with me i dont have any fancy dvd burners or anything i was just wondering if i can burn the images i get off of iso hunt on to a cd and play it in my x box without any mods or anything


#11

I am curious to see if you get this to work. I wanna back up my XBOX disc as well. I keep my XBOX on it’s side, and particularly one time it was knocked over while spinning…boy did it gouge GH2 disc, I only got it working by rubbing it out (with Mcguire’s car polishes).
Anyway there’s all these youtube how-to’s that I don’t believe, so good luck, and let us know.
-J:iagree:


#12

[QUOTE=cdon8687;1681538]Im rather confused about all this booktype/ ROM setting talk…

[B]As I understand, the pioneer 111D is ready to burn 360 games out-of-the-box[/B], without any firmware upgrades, or modifications. Its also my understanding that with other burners you need to set the mode to DVD-ROM, but apparently the pioneer 111d does that by default.

So heres my question…

Ill be getting the Pioneer 111D and an external enclosure for it in the mail tomorrow. After I tear that box open like a kid on christmas, what do I need to do? How are is the install for an internal enclosure? Do I need to update the firmware?.. any nuggets of wisdom here are much appreciated:)[/QUOTE]

You have forgotten the most important thing: you have to create PROPER backups first!


#13

[QUOTE=adad22;1766589]Ok ive got a bit of a problem. Went to the store yesterday and bought some cheap philips dvd+r dl disks, because they were on sale. Tryed to burn a virtua tennis game i dled, on imgburn and i ended up getting alot of errors at around 80% burn completion. ( im just gonna post the whole log)

I 21:37:39 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 21:37:39 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 21:37:39 Total Physical Memory: 523,564 KB - Available: 136,592 KB
W 21:37:39 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
W 21:37:39 Drive H:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
I 21:37:39 Initialising SPTI…
I 21:37:39 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 21:37:39 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 21:56:54 Operation Started!
I 21:56:54 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\all-vrt3.dvd
I 21:56:54 Source File Sectors: 3,697,696 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:56:54 Source File Size: 7,572,881,408 bytes
I 21:56:54 Source File Volume Identifier: XGD2DVD_NTSC
I 21:56:54 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1
I 21:56:54 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 21:56:54 Destination Device: [3:0:0] SONY DVD RW DRU-820A 1.0c (E:) (ATA)
I 21:56:54 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D04-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)
I 21:56:54 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 21:56:54 Write Mode: DVD
I 21:56:54 Write Type: DAO
I 21:56:54 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 21:56:54 Link Size: Auto
I 21:56:54 Test Mode: No
I 21:56:54 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 21:56:54 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
I 21:57:34 Filling Buffer… (20 MB)
I 21:57:35 Writing LeadIn…
I 21:57:38 Writing Image… (LBA: 0 - 3697695)
I 21:57:38 Writing Layer 0… (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 22:17:27 Writing Layer 1… (LBA: 1913760 - 3697695)
W 22:29:14 Failed to Write Sectors 3011648 - 3011679 - Write Error
W 22:29:14 Retrying (1 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (2 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (3 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (4 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (5 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (6 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (7 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (8 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (9 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (10 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (11 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (12 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (13 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (14 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (15 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (16 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (17 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (18 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (19 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:29:14 Retrying (20 of 20)…
W 22:29:14 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:47 Retrying (21)…
W 22:35:47 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:48 Retrying (22)…
W 22:35:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:49 Retrying (23)…
W 22:35:49 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:49 Retrying (24)…
W 22:35:49 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:50 Retrying (25)…
W 22:35:50 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (26)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (27)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:35:51 Retrying (28)…
W 22:35:51 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:36:05 Retrying (29)…
W 22:36:05 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 22:36:06 Retrying (30)…
W 22:36:06 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
E 22:36:07 Failed to Write Sectors 3011648 - 3011679 - Write Error
I 22:36:07 Synchronising Cache…
I 22:36:08 Closing Track…
I 22:36:09 Finalising Disc…
W 22:37:03 Potential ‘WaitImmediateIO’ Deferred Error - (0/2) - Write Error
E 22:37:41 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 22:37:41 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)…
E 22:37:41 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
E 22:37:41 Failed to Write Image!
E 22:37:41 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:40:47
I 22:37:41 Average Write Rate: 2,609 KB/s (1.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,360 KB/s (2.4x)

So ive wasted 1 disk, and i dont actually know why becuase I set the booktype to dvd-rom, and the layer break to to 1913670, and i ended up with these errors. Today i tried to burn another copy with clonecd instead. Burning again at 2.4x speed. This is my log…

I 1:01:22 PM CloneCD Version 5.3.0.1 started!
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyCDIO Driver 6.0.0.1
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyCDIO.dll 6.0.5.1
I 1:01:22 PM CCDDriver.dll 5.0.0.1
I 1:01:22 PM ElbyECC.dll 4.0.0.0
I 1:01:22 PM WriteDVD.dll 2.6.3.1
I 1:01:22 PM Registered to: Giancarlo Bettini, CEO SlySoft Inc.
I 1:01:22 PM Searching for SCSI/ATAPI devices…
I 1:01:31 PM Device Scan found 1 CD-ROMs and 2 CD-Writers!
I 1:02:11 PM Starting copy from C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\all-vrt3.dvd to SONY DVD RW DRU-820A
I 1:02:11 PM Write Speed: 2x
I 1:02:11 PM Writing Session 1 LeadIn…
I 1:03:00 PM Writing Session 1 image file…
I 1:33:56 PM Duration of operation: 00:31:45
I 1:33:56 PM Average Speed: 3048 kBytes/s (2.26)
E 1:33:59 PM Writing to SONY DVD RW DRU-820A failed!

Once again the burning has failed. and i dont know why :(. It set the layer break to 1913670, and you cant booktype to dvd-rom in clonecd as it does it automaticlly for most drives. The thing is even if it diidnt booktype… the dvd should always still finsh burning and not get errors. I am very conserned if i am doing something wrong or it is the phillips media dvd+r disks. Im doubting it is my burner since it is nearly brand new and has all of the features and lastest firmwares for burning dual layer disks.

Here are some screenshots of the err msgs i had in imgburn.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1733/err1rs0.png
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6841/err3rb0.png
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5125/err4qn5.png

                                      Thanks alot for you help.[/QUOTE]





 Seriously, it's more than likely the media. I know you probably get tired of hearing to use Verbatim Dvd+R DL (MKM001, MKM003), but there are just no other quality DL disks out there right now. There is a websight that sells a DL disk called MAM-A & I don't know anything about them, but I have tried all types of DL media with little to no success, but oneday I will give these a shot & post my findings.  :cool:

#14

Sorry had to stop my post in breach of forum rules


#15

Hey Chef,

It’s been awhile!! So anyway, about XBOX 360 and my scratched GH2 disk…

when I/we LEARN how to back them up, I will do them when the shrink wrap comes off the disc! Until then I am playing with fire.

Take it easy,
John


#16

Hey jhn_Wagoner/John,

my pst was meant into “cdon8687”'s direction. :slight_smile: