Why Is Death Fascinating?

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#1

What is it that both attracts and repulses us about death? Just curious.

Myself, I have seen just about any and every way possible to die. I have even been looking into riding along with the county coroner, but first maybe an observer as a “death scene cleaner” (a fairly new industry). I wonder if I could handle it? Real life is far different than on a video screen. I watched an accident victim die right before my eyes once. “Shaken” was an understatement. I’ll never forget how helpless I was to change a solitary thing. I’ll also never forget the guy’s hat, sitting in the road beside his mangled truck, as if someone gently placed it there.

Have you had any encounters with death?


#2

Heard the word terminal…gives you a whole different outlook when your told your days are numbered and those are very limited…


#3

[QUOTE=Gaarry;2705043]
Have you had any encounters with death?[/QUOTE]

Yes…My father died @46 in 1991 and me and my brother saw his remains after 3 days.My grandfather died @ 82 in 1992 and I closed his eyes forever.
My grandmother died in 1994 and her last movements were directed @ me.
My mother died in 2009 and me and my brother were comforting her from 9 am until she died @ 4 am the next day…


#4

oh no Sourtherner! i’m sorry to hear that. and the other experiences are heart wrenching. I just received this little tract and it asks “can the dead really live again?” gives a great outlook:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/dead-live-again-tract/dead-live-again/


#5

SS Already know that my prayers were for her when she was terminal & that I beleive in miracle healing…
I was happy to see her posting again lately.
I haven’t specifically asked but I assume she is at least in remission .
I could give a similar account to roadworkers . Strangely similar.
My dad 54 in 1980 .
My sister 24 in1985
My grandfather 92 in 1990.
My grandmother 82 1992.
My mother 73 in 2002.

Electrox3d ; I would stay away from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I hope you aren’t one & that offends you.
I will leave that at enough said.


#6

I have a neurological disease the doctors call “Motor neurone syndrome”, it’s also been called “Multifocal motor neuropathy” Really they don’t have a clue what’s causing my nerves to deteriorate. It started off years ago and is slowly disabling me.
“Is this going to kill me I asked”, they stared at each other and one doctor said “probably, we don’t really know” I don’t know whats worse, knowing your terminal, or just maybe.

Sexy_Southerner being told that must be awful, but I have accepted the possibility now.
I cant say my life is that great and that might help, but I have no fear of dying. All that scares the pants off of me is dying slowly in pain.

I think seeing dead bodies may help, years ago I used to help at a funeral parlor and saw dead people all the time, that never worried me. I’ve been unfortunate enough to have seen far too many road smashes and the horrible consequences, that is not nice at all and have been physically sick at the sight of the carnage, but weirdly enough, you do kinda get used to it.
Death doesn’t fascinate me at all and as for an afterlife, I’m a devout atheist and that actually gives me comfort.


#7

Yes I’m in remission…thanks for all the prayers and positive energy…

I’m sure we all have a curisoty concering death …but not fasination not really…


#8

You have all the positive energy I can muster Sexy_Southerner, if I could do it you could have all of mine so you could stay well. :smiley:


#9

@ voxsmart , Since the doctors haven’t offered much.
I would make sure I didn’t have a B vitamin deficiency .
It could be a need for more of one of the B’s than normal.
Don’t go crazy & over do them though.
I would be suprised if some B12 injections didn’t help.
If you can get your doctor to go along with it you can give them yourself.

It would be less common but it could also be a mineral deficiency .
Same as above don’t go overdosing because many times too much can be worse than too little.

They can test for most of those.

On the other end you could be retaining too much of some mineral like copper or iron. The tests would also show that.
That amounts to “poisoning” yourself .

Have you ever been exposed to “real” poison of some kind?

I sprayed trees all one summer when I was a teenager.
The mix was arsenic & chlordane .I’ve never been tested for either as I haven’t seen a need. I’m sure any chlordane has long been excreted but arsenic can stay forever more or less.
Maybe you have already done all of the above & I’m not in the medical profession so take my advice with that in mind.

Without getting into it if I could cure you from “devout atheistism” I would.


#10

I don’t find death fascinating at all, as a matter of fact when you reach a certain age and you know its inevitable in the next 20 years if your lucky, its downright frightening. :doh:


#11

I wrote a huge paragraph on death and than not post it, we’re all going to die no way around that and the only thing I worry about is the pain some people go through.
And it not only physical but mental pain to.Depression is a hard thing to live with,I try my best to fight it but sometimes it’s hard ,DEATH doesn’t scarce me it’s living in pain that does.


#12

I find death acceptable and inevitable. [I]Taxes[/I], on the other hand…


#13

[QUOTE=cholla;2705147]@ voxsmart , Since the doctors haven’t offered much.
I would make sure I didn’t have a B vitamin deficiency .
It could be a need for more of one of the B’s than normal.
Don’t go crazy & over do them though.
I would be suprised if some B12 injections didn’t help.
If you can get your doctor to go along with it you can give them yourself.

It would be less common but it could also be a mineral deficiency .
Same as above don’t go overdosing because many times too much can be worse than too little.[/QUOTE]

I watched a documentary called “Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead” a while back and it completely changed my thought process regarding the food I consume. My wife and I have adopted healthier eating habits that include more vegetables and organic foods and we have both seen substantial improvements in our overall health. I no longer take medicine for my diabetes, have lost 40 lbs. in the past two months and feel much better, in general. My wife no longer has heartburn issues, has lost 20 lbs. and also feels much better overall.

I used to make fun of people that eat like I do now and subscribed to the belief that what a person eats isn’t all that important a factor in how they feel. I no longer hold this view. If anyone has an interest in seeing what a person can accomplish through their diet should watch the documentary I linked to above. It changed my wife’s and I views regarding food in a major way.


#14

[QUOTE=cholla;2705147]@ voxsmart , Since the doctors haven’t offered much.
I would make sure I didn’t have a B vitamin deficiency .
It could be a need for more of one of the B’s than normal.
Don’t go crazy & over do them though.
I would be suprised if some B12 injections didn’t help.
If you can get your doctor to go along with it you can give them yourself.

It would be less common but it could also be a mineral deficiency .
Same as above don’t go overdosing because many times too much can be worse than too little.

They can test for most of those.

On the other end you could be retaining too much of some mineral like copper or iron. The tests would also show that.
That amounts to “poisoning” yourself .

Have you ever been exposed to “real” poison of some kind?

I sprayed trees all one summer when I was a teenager.
The mix was arsenic & chlordane .I’ve never been tested for either as I haven’t seen a need. I’m sure any chlordane has long been excreted but arsenic can stay forever more or less.
Maybe you have already done all of the above & I’m not in the medical profession so take my advice with that in mind.

Without getting into it if I could cure you from “devout atheistism” I would.[/QUOTE]

cholla,
This illness started in 1979 and since then I’ve seen the very best neurologists in this country and I also saw a leading specialist visiting from the US. I thank you for your suggestions, it shows compassion, but do you honestly think all of these possible causes haven’t been looked in to many times. I do take B12 that helps a little because I don’t absorb it as well as I should. This keeps my levels normal.
Most likely I have a genetic disorder, I have no living family that have anything similar and just don’t know about older deceased family.

Err, I respect you are a theist, but if I could cure you of that religion virus your parents gave you as a child I would.

UTR,
I eat the very best quality food, all organic when I can I’m very careful about my diet and keep my weight down as this helps me move around.
A good proper diet is essential for everyone really, but most don’t realise it until they get ill with eating related illness. Thanks very much for the suggestion, it really is appreciated you guys are bothering to help.


#15

@ voxsmart , Sure I gave the doctors credit for looking into many things.
I also didn’t know you have been dealing with this so long.
Doctors many times kind of ignore nutrition beyond a standard diet.
If you have had your vitamin & mineral levels already checked .
I think you have been to some better than average doctors.

Of course if it is a genetic disorder there is little that can be done.

I count my blessings. I’m in reasonably good health .Just a year or so younger than you . I have some lower back pain but that is related to straining it when working hard . In other words some of the work I did when I was younger has come back to haunt me . I also injured a knee in a auto accident . It sometimes doesn’t like the cold . Those are my main problems. Both parents had adult diabetes but so far it has skipped me. Also I’m quite near sighted but glasses correct this fine.

@ UTR , I am fixing to look at the link you posted.


#16

cholla,
You are right about doctors and diet, I was getting severe migraines and this idiot of a consultant tried to give me meds to lower my blood pressure. What she didn’t know because of not reading my notes was My blood pressure drops below 90/50 on regular occasions, otherwise it’s normal. (just another part of the illness) if I had taken them I wouldn’t be typing this now. All that was causing most of the migraines was white chocolate! (my occasional treat) I thought it was OK to eat, it wasn’t. My bad heads nearly drove me to take my own life, on one occasion I was going to drill a 1/2" hole in my head to let the pain out, my survival instinct kicked in and I decided better of it.
The consultant actually kicked me out of her office for telling her what was causing the migraines… She no longer works at that particular hospital. Death has been close to me a few times now, a very near miss of a head on car collision was no fun (err, not my fault) As some of you have said, we all have to die sometime. When it’s my time, it’s my time.


#17

voxsmart , I’ve only found a few things I’m alergic to & I’m not even sure that’s an alergy. For some reason bell peppers bother my digestion. They cause somewhat of a stomach ache & some diarrhea the next day . Funny thing I can eat hot chilli peppers with no problem.
I wouldn’t know if I was alergic to white chocolate . I’ve very rarely eaten any of it & then a small amount .
The auto accident that I got the knee injury from was also the other drivers fault.
He pulled through a highway crossover without stopping . I managed to slow from 70 to about 55 mph before I hit his left wheel well.Totaled both cars.

Never been as far as drilling in my head . Probably just dull the drill bit . :wink:


#18

death isn’t something I am fussed about


#19

cholla,
Chocolate has an alkaloid in it called “Theo bromine” (Theobromine). I’m not allergic to the stuff, but like most alkaloids it’s toxic to some people. I thought that white chocolate was free of the stuff, but it still contains a fair bit. (misinformed by the medical profession again) I knew that the ordinary stuff gave me a bad head and it wasn’t until I read up about it, I realised what might be causing them, so I stopped eating the stuff. It worked, most of the bad headaches and pretty lights I would rather not see stopped. I still get the occasional migraine, usually caused by bright sunlight or rapid air pressure drops.
The good thing now is I have proper meds, an injection of “Sumatriptan” brings my head back to normal in about 30 seconds.

From what I can tell, bell peppers also contain a different alkaloid, that is poisoning you. Not an allergy, it’s a reaction due to a loss of a certain enzyme in your stomach. A part of getting older usually, but sometimes we just stop producing the enzymes we need to break down certain foods. Lactose intolerance is very common, because adults don’t really need milk and stop making the enzyme to break down the lactose sugar. Then it becomes toxic and can cause all sorts of horrible things to happen, mostly stomach ache and diarrhoea. Some alkaloids can kill very quickly. (Just to stay on topic) I won’t mention them as someone may get an idea!

Your car smash sounds terrible, those things take a long time to get over, physically and emotionally. let alone loosing a nice car. As for back pain, I know exactly how you feel. :eek:


#20

voxsmart , I tried to find some alkaloid information on Bell or sweet peppers .
Other than that they contain several kinds of alkaloid I didn’t find specifics.
A difference I di find was Bellpepper don’t contain capsaicin like the even mild hot chilli peppers do .
Maybe that is the difference that lets me eat the hot peppers without a problem.
As for the enzyme. I must have always lacked it if that is the cause. My grandparents always grew Bell peppers so they were a regular vegetable on the table (as were hot peppers). I had the problem as far back as I can remember.
So not an age onset problem for me. The green Bell peppers are also a lot worse for this than mature red or yellow ones.(For me anyway).

I’ve never had migrane headaches . At least not what I’ve heard discribed. I’ve only had a few [B]bad[/B] headaches in my life. I ocassionally get a normal one. Usually one asprin & it’s gone. Unless it’s full sinuses during a cold. Not common for me but it has happened.

Apparantly chocolate is not a problem for me. I’ve even tried the extra dark that has come out over the last several years. I think like 70%. It is a bit bitter for my liking.So now when I eat something with chocolate it is just the normal level.

I also don’t have lactose intolerence . I regularly consume milk & other dairy products. So I must still be producing the enzyme for this.

One thing does cause me headaches & I assume it’s allergy.
It’s probably just certain ones but I don’t know which. Perfume or cologne both for men or women . If someone has a lot on & sometimes not that much. Some air fresheners also cause this for me.

The auto accident was a very long time ago . My car was totaled but the other drivers insurance paid for it. I was only 17 so my parents dealt with the medical & didn’t know to sue for a lot more . So basically the hospital bill & minor follow up was all that paid for. After it healed it rarely bothered me when I was younger. It migt pop out & swell every couple of years back then. With some yoga stertches I learned to do as I got some older that disappeared. It is usually being out in cold weather for quite a while that brings on an ache in this knee.This is as I’ve aged.
I can still feel a fairly big dent in the knee cap. This was where the steel ball that held the accelerator pedal on the 1961 Chevrolet hit it. !8 stitches from that & the ripped metal of the floorboard. I held ontop the steering wheel so hard it bent it all the way to the steering column. 90° . I think that’s what eventually through me to the car floor. Better than going through the windshield. BTW the car had seat belts but I wasn’t wearing them. No law to make me back then.

Back pain is as above caused by too much heavy lifting over my lifetime.
Not too bad most of the time. The inversion table I have helps this a lot.