Why does xvid look better then H.264? Thats backwards

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I just noticed and did a few tests to verify, some movies lately i did just seemed not quite so good quality xvid files at 1gig size, which is default i use on the average (longer movies i bump it up some of course.), and found that i was very surprised that after encoding a movie (drama, no real action scene’s in it.) , the xvid file actually looked a bit better then the h.264 file made. That seems backwards. The H.264 file should look better as it’s the newer finallized standard codec used by blueray and HD DVD, due to the fact that it can contain up to 64 audio streams, and a higher compression level then xvid and Divx codec’s (which are based of of mp4 codec.) and also allow much higher resolutions. So i always read til now that is.
Someone correct me on this info, because i would like to know if/what’s changed that maybe i missed. Both used same audio, both used same resolution selected, and pretty much same bitrate and all, 1-pass setting. Granted the xvid file is approx. 800kb-1meg bigger, but STILL. A noticable visual difference is very much scene. And of course the h.264 version file does seem better with contrast (ie-slightly better with brightness and colors), verses the xvid file looks just a little bit toned down in contrast. Still though.

What could be the deal, usually i’ve read, and noticed h.264 files always looking better as well as being a fair amount smaller in size as well then xvid or divx files? Is there something i could change, or verify to figure out what’s the deal with this? And on top of all that, the xvid is using original audio (448kb/sec, 48000khz) stream, and the h.264 is using AAC (96kb/sec)!!!

Here’s some helpful info, hoping it might help give an answer.

H.264

FILE_NAME THE NATIVITY STORY.mp4
FILE_NAME_WITH_PATH G:\generic\THE NATIVITY STORY\THE NATIVITY STORY.mp4
FILE_SIZE 1,053,967,483
CONT_AUDIO_STREAM_COUNT 1
CONT_BASETYPE Undetermined MP4 (.MP4) file
CONT_BYTES_MISSING
CONT_INTERLEAVE_ALIGN
CONT_INTERLEAVE_PRELOAD
CONT_INTERLEAVE_TIME
CONT_SUBTYPE
CONT_TOTAL_BITRATE 0
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_SOURCE_MATCH
VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_NTSC
VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_PAL
VIDEO_BITRATE 1297
VIDEO_CODEC_NAME H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
VIDEO_CODEC_STATUS Codec Status Undetermined
VIDEO_CODEC_TYPE avc1
VIDEO_DAR 1.778
VIDEO_DURATION 1:40:52
VIDEO_FIELDS_PER_SEC
VIDEO_FRAME_COUNT 181365
VIDEO_FRAMES_PER_SEC 29.971
VIDEO_H264
VIDEO_MPEG2
VIDEO_MPEG2_3X2
VIDEO_MPEG2_BFF
VIDEO_MPEG2_I_L
VIDEO_MPEG2_PPF
VIDEO_MPEG2_PROG
VIDEO_MPEG2_TFF
VIDEO_MPEG4
VIDEO_MPEG4_BVOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_GMC
VIDEO_MPEG4_NVOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_QPEL
VIDEO_PAR
VIDEO_PICS_PER_SEC 29.971
VIDEO_QF 0.130
VIDEO_SAR 1.778
VIDEO_SIZE_X 768
VIDEO_SIZE_Y 432
AUDIO_BITRATE 96
AUDIO_BITRATE_TYPE
AUDIO_CHANNEL_COUNT 2
AUDIO_CODEC mp4a: MPEG-4 AAC LC
AUDIO_CODEC_STATUS Codec Status Undetermined
AUDIO_MPEG_STREAM_ID
AUDIO_MPEG_SUBSTREAM_ID
AUDIO_SAMPLE_RATE 48000

Xvid

FILE_NAME THE NATIVITY STORY.avi
FILE_NAME_WITH_PATH G:\generic\THE NATIVITY STORY.avi
FILE_SIZE 1,066,077,952
CONT_AUDIO_STREAM_COUNT 1
CONT_BASETYPE AVI(.AVI)
CONT_BYTES_MISSING 0
CONT_INTERLEAVE_ALIGN Aligned
CONT_INTERLEAVE_PRELOAD
CONT_INTERLEAVE_TIME 33
CONT_SUBTYPE AVI v1.0,
CONT_TOTAL_BITRATE 0
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD1
VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD2
VIDEO_ASPECT_SOURCE_MATCH
VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_NTSC
VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_PAL
VIDEO_BITRATE 949
VIDEO_CODEC_NAME XviD 1.1.0 Final
VIDEO_CODEC_STATUS Codec(s) are Installed
VIDEO_CODEC_TYPE XVID
VIDEO_DAR 1.778
VIDEO_DURATION 1:40:52
VIDEO_FIELDS_PER_SEC
VIDEO_FRAME_COUNT 181365
VIDEO_FRAMES_PER_SEC 29.970
VIDEO_H264
VIDEO_MPEG2
VIDEO_MPEG2_3X2
VIDEO_MPEG2_BFF
VIDEO_MPEG2_I_L
VIDEO_MPEG2_PPF
VIDEO_MPEG2_PROG
VIDEO_MPEG2_TFF
VIDEO_MPEG4 MPEG-4
VIDEO_MPEG4_BVOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_GMC
VIDEO_MPEG4_NVOP N-VOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_QPEL
VIDEO_PAR 1.000
VIDEO_PICS_PER_SEC 29.970
VIDEO_QF 0.095
VIDEO_SAR 1.778
VIDEO_SIZE_X 768
VIDEO_SIZE_Y 432
AUDIO_BITRATE 448
AUDIO_BITRATE_TYPE CBR
AUDIO_CHANNEL_COUNT 6
AUDIO_CODEC 0x2000 (Dolby AC3) AC3
AUDIO_CODEC_STATUS Codec(s) are Installed
AUDIO_MPEG_STREAM_ID
AUDIO_MPEG_SUBSTREAM_ID
AUDIO_SAMPLE_RATE 48000

I did notice some numbers are different like the QF size (still not quite sure about some of the terms and what they effect.)

Thanks for the help. I’m just trying to make the best OVERALL quality copy of my dvd’s for when i travel, at around 1gig size average up to 1.3-1.4 for really long movies (maybe 2 1/2-3hours long)

Will a custom profile be needed to accomplish better h.264 quality video’s. I wouldn’t think but needing to use the standard default, but i’m still learning after all these years. Nothing is a PERFECT default in any area.