Which settings for best quality? - DVD Rebuilder

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#1

I just started using DVD-RB after buring like 10 movies with DVD Shrink, (including the Stars Wars saga and LOTR). I used Deep analysis with max smoothness for Star Wars II Attack of the Clones. I also used max compression for the extras and eliminated all foreign language audio. This got me up to about 53% compression with Shrink.

With the same movie and DVD-RB I used the “steal space from extras” at 33% and eliminated all foreign language audio. I used CCE SP 2.67 retail with 5 passes. According to the status box the movie was at 48% compression. I also kept the default settings for DVD-RB in the rest of the options. The only other option I added was the DVD size in the .ini file to take up the whole DVDr.

After viewing both and comparing I was suprised that Shrink looked better. Especially when I used the zoom feature for my DVD player. I could see more pixelation with the DVD-RB copy than with Shrink at 2X and 3X zoom.

Are there any other options I can change with DVD-RB to get better quality? I am wondering if I am doing somthing wrong because of all the rave reviews I read of how DVD-RB with CCE is such great quality, and better than Shrink. Time is not an issue for me, I just want the best quality.

nYmph


#2

can you post screenshots of what you’re describing (from the original, dvdshrink, and dvd-rb copies)? i’ve seen some people complain that CCE was giving more pixelated encodes, when in reality it was actually the transcoder which was smoothing out the details that CCE tried to maintain.


#3

I am at work for the evening, but I will try and get pics up either tonight or tommorow at some point.

Since you mention screenshots, I forgot to add that I viewed this all on my stand alone DVD player and 32" T.V. I am curious now on how it would look on my PC monitor, (although my main concern is how it looks on a television).

What do you mean when you say “it was actually the transcoder which was smoothing out the details that CCE tried to maintain”? Could this mean that some kind of plug in filter or somthing for DVD-RB would do the same? And is smoothing out the details a good thing?

nYmph


#4

i mean that the transcoder is basically omitting visuals in the video that CCE tries to reproduce. there was one example in this forum that comes to mind (you can try to search for it, although i don’t know what you’d search under) where the user used dvdshrink and CCE and complained that the CCE copy was much more pixelated, but after he posted screenshots from all three sources, it could be seen that dvdshrink wasn’t doing things like reproducing windows and branches that CCE was trying harder to reproduce, so the resulting windows and branches WERE pixelated in the CCE copy, but only because the dvdshrink copy didn’t have them at all. the smaller details of the scene were essentially “discarded” by dvdshrink, which resulted in a much smoother-looking image.

as for whether there’s such a plug-in for CCE, i’m not sure about that. i’ve never known anyone to want less detail in their image.


#5

SHRINK

DVD-RB

SHRINK

DVD-RB

It’s kinda hard for me to get an exact match on a scene and to tell with the PC monitor. They both look so close. I can try a couple more screen shots. What do you think?

nYmph


#6

without also having the original, it’s hard to see what’s it’s supposed to look like. you should also specifically point out the parts of the shots that you’re not satisfied with. it’s usually not too hard to get the exact frame by using the frame advance feature of your dvd player software.


#7

SHRINK

DVD-RB

SHRINK

DVD-RB

Here are 2 more shots. Both are at 9x zoom. They both look so close. Actually the Shrink copies might look a little better in a few spots to me. I know I dont have the original to compare these 2 with, but I really just want to compare the 2 copies because I know both will never be as good as the original and I just want to see which one out of the copies looks better, and would look better if I ever went to a big screen T.V.

They are both so close and it would seem that if they are this close it would make sense to just use Shrink because it does the job in a fraction of the time rebuilder does. I read somewhere that there are some filter plug ins called undot and deen. Have you used these and do you think they would make a difference?


#8

check out my post on DVDfab…it is an easy and FREE way to split a dl disk in to two sl ones. this way you don’t have to worry about compresion… :bigsmile:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=121731


#9

you still haven’t pointed out exactly what kind of issues you’re having with the dvd rebuilder images. from what i can see, the dvd rebuilder shots have much less macro blocking than the dvdshrink shots (at least in the 3rd and 4th sets). in the 3rd set, you can see that the hair behind Anakin’s ear is very blocky in the dvdshrink shot, but is much better in the dvd rebuilder shot. the same goes for the guy in the background holding the white lightsaber in the 4th set. the size of the blocks in the dvdshrink shots are always significantly larger than the blocks in the dvd rebuilder shots.

whether or not the images are close enough in quality is really a judgement call, but you said that the dvd rebuilder copy looked worse than the dvdshrink copy, and i’m just trying to figure out where you think that’s happening. since you said “Time is not an issue for me, I just want the best quality” i think you should just stick with dvd rebuilder, but if you think that the quality is close enough that you don’t want to spend the extra time with dvd rebuilder, then by all means use dvdshrink. here’s a “worst case scenario” that i’ve encountered (you’ll need winrar to open the archive).

i’ve never heard of those plug-ins so i have no idea how well they work (or even what they do). if you give them a shot, let me know how they turn out.


#10

Anyone thinking we have an agent/marketer for DVDIdle.com here??!!


#11

Hi Agent_007,

I am inclined to agree. I have seen that exact same post in almost every new thread over the past 2 days, and mind you without any relevance at all.

SpryFly,

You don’t have to hardsell out here. Just state your opinion in a seperate thread and leave it at that. If people share your opinion, they’ll say so. Don’t push the software in every thread you can. People, at least I hate that.

The more you talk about it, the more I’m starting to hate it @#$%%" DVD Fab".


#12

I see what you mean by the 24 pics. The shrink looked like it was just smoothing over in some areas and disregarding detail while DVD-RB was trying to maintain the most detail in those areas and thus does look a little more pixelated because of the compression.

I did use the filters I mentioned last night, although I am trying to figure out if they actually activated through AVS because I did not specifically see it mentioned in the status box. That being said though, I believe that this copy did look less pixelated than the original shrink copy. I will post some shots when I get a chance later. I am not sure if this is due to the fact that the filters worked or because I used Vobblanker to cut some stuff out and gain a few more percent on the compression. Could be both.

Here is the status box though:

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#13

Ouch…hey I’m pushing old freeware here folks – just trying to spread the word. Sorry if I am being a little over zealous. It it just that I just discovered this program and I think it is the best thing since sliced bread. An easy way to back up a dl disk to sl without compression. I may never use dvd shrink again…well thats not entirly the case. Their are still plenty of good reasons to use dvd shrink. However, as I seem to be receiving a negitive backlash I will lay off. My most humble of appologies.

Ps. Have I told you about this great program I found the other night called DVDFab… :bigsmile:

edit: their was always relevence. i take exception to that. when folks are talking about backing up dvd’s and are going about it in overlly complicated ways i chimed in about this program that i hadn’t seen much writen about. i was just trying to be helpfull…sniff, sniff


#14

although your intentions were good (and i know dvdfab is freeware), your reply didn’t have to do with the topic of this thread (which is about achieving better quality while compressing), so when coupling that with your sudden barrage of posts concerning dvdfab, it can be seen as spamming (not in the commercial sense, but in the flooding sense). i do encourage you to keep trying to help others in a more subtle way. i propose we lay this issue to rest and resume our regularly scheduled program.


#15

once again my apologoies…


#16

Here are the 2 comparisons while using the filters.

Without Filters

With Filters

Without Filters

With Filters

I think the filters might have done what Shrink did and kind of smooth things over. It looks like there is more detail in the non-filter shot. Do you think so?

I will stay with DVD-RB though as it compares with Shrink, but it’s just a question of whether to use the filter with it.

nYmph