Which is the best drive to do Blu Ray Quality Scans?

[RedDwarf]

As the title. Which drive is best to use to do a Blu Ray burn quality test?
I see liteons recommended but those seem very expensive. The Samsung
SH-B123L/RSBP is a lot cheaper than the iHES208/iHES108 so is that worth considering?

Are these Blu Ray quality tests that some people do worth anything? I have read some people say they are not.

I would like to know whether the disks I purchase are worth getting or whether another brand would be a better choice. I have purchased some relatively cheap disks with a new Pioneer BDR-206BK so I would like to know whether the burns are okay.

Is there a better way than doing disk scans?

[RedDwarf]

Surely some one must know about this.

Can the Samsung drives obtain the same information when doing quality scans as the Liteon drives?

[deanwitty]

I’ve used the SH-B083L for BD-R scanning, and its error scanning results are comparable to an iHES. It has been mentioned here that the SH-B123L has similar ability.

I suspect that you don’t see many scans with these drives around here because many would purchase a Lite-on iHES or IHBS for scanning and ripping and avoid the rip-locked Samsung. Really a shame, as the enhanced poor-quality BD-R reading ability that Samsung claims for its drives has proven to be true for me.

I have found that poor error scan results often do translate to poor playback performance in a finicky set-top player.

Do remember that an OK quality scan is only half the recipe for a good BD-R. Some BD-R’s have been found to go bad in under a year. You do not mention which brand BD-R that you chose?

[RedDwarf]

Thank you for the information, that is what I needed.

It’s a pity that no one has managed to remove the Rip lok on the Samsung. It has been done on many other drives in the past. The Liteons are about twice the price of the Samsung drives and the build quality is meant to be better on the Samsungs.

The disks are Aone. I have had bad experiences with Aone disks in the past with their DVD DL disks which gave very poor quality scans. An earlier type were meant to be okay but a later type were terrible. This was quite widely reported about.

[deanwitty]

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2576402]Thank you for the information, that is what I needed.

It’s a pity that no one has managed to remove the Rip lok on the Samsung. It has been done on many other drives in the past. The Liteons are about twice the price of the Samsung drives and the build quality is meant to be better on the Samsungs.

The disks are Aone. I have had bad experiences with Aone disks in the past with their DVD DL disks which gave very poor quality scans. An earlier type were meant to be okay but a later type were terrible. This was quite widely reported about.[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome.

Quite frustrating, the Samsung performs at a higher level than the iHES except as a quick ripper.

What is the MID on those Aone’s?

[Stereodude]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576401]Do remember that an OK quality scan is only half the recipe for a good BD-R. Some BD-R’s have been found to go bad in under a year. You do not mention which brand BD-R that you chose?[/QUOTE]I assume you’re referring to Ritek.

Supposedly they stopped production of BD-R for a while last year to fix their process, and now their blanks should have good longevity though this is all third hand information I read online.

[deanwitty]

[QUOTE=Stereodude;2576411]I assume you’re referring to Ritek.

Supposedly they stopped production of BD-R for a while last year to fix their process, and now their blanks should have good longevity though this is all third hand information I read online.[/QUOTE]

That would be great . I would be more inclined to feel reassured if Ritek mentioned the results of accelerated aging tests on their media. Wonder why they haven’t gotten around to that :(?

I’ve only seen two manufacturers that are willing to advertise the results of those tests. I’m finding that increasingly bothersome and thinking I’d like to avoid a yearly re-burn cycle, if I can

[Stereodude]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576414]That would be great . I would be more inclined to feel reassured if Ritek mentioned the results of accelerated aging tests on their media. Wonder why they haven’t gotten around to that :(? [/QUOTE]Here is where I read the stuff about the Ritek media. However, after reading it again and some other stuff on that site I have my doubts about the reliability / accuracy / trustworthiness of the information presented.

[RedDwarf]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576403]You’re welcome.

Quite frustrating, the Samsung performs at a higher level than the iHES except as a quick ripper.

What is the MID on those Aone’s?[/QUOTE]
I will let you know when I get the drive installed to test them. It arrived some hours ago but I have been letting it warm up as it was stone cold when I received it. I didn’t want condensation forming.

The reviews on the site that I purchased them say they are okay but saying they are okay and them being decent quality are different things. Having the burns last are another thing.

It will be interesting what speed the Pioneer 206 will burn them at as they are x4 speed disks.

It’s a chinese made drive rather than one from Japan.

[pepst]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576403]What is the MID on those Aone’s?[/QUOTE]

Most likely UMEBDR014 or UMEBDR016.

[RedDwarf]

I don’t know whether DVD Identifier is the program to use for Blu Ray disks, it’s the only thing I have but hasn’t been updated for a very long time. Is the media list still valid?

As you can see below, it identifies the disks as being Philips R04.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [BD-R-SL:PHILIP-R04-000]
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Disc Type :              [BD-R SL : Class 0 - Version 1]
Manufacturer Name :      [Philips]
Manufacturer ID :        [PHILIP]
Media Type ID :          [R04]
Product Revision :       [000]
Stamper Date :           [Not Present On Disc]
Layer Info :             [1 Layer (L0) : 25.03 GB (23.31 GiB) Per Layer]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [12,219,392 Sectors = 25.03 GB (23.31 GiB)]
Recording Speeds :       [1x , 2x , 4x]  
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** INFO : Drive = PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-206D - [FW 1.04] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = BD-R BD-RE
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [BD-R-SL:PHILIP-R04-000]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x BD = 4496 kBps = 3.25x DVD
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
 
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 44950 kBps (10.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 35960 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 26970 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 17980 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 =  8990 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
 
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 53940 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 44950 kBps (10.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 35960 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 26970 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 17980 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 =  8990 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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[Jeffrey_P]

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2575825]As the title. Which drive is best to use to do a Blu Ray burn quality test?
I see liteons recommended but those seem very expensive. The Samsung
SH-B123L/RSBP is a lot cheaper than the iHES208/iHES108 so is that worth considering?

Are these Blu Ray quality tests that some people do worth anything? I have read some people say they are not.

I would like to know whether the disks I purchase are worth getting or whether another brand would be a better choice. I have purchased some relatively cheap disks with a new Pioneer BDR-206BK so I would like to know whether the burns are okay.

Is there a better way than doing disk scans?[/QUOTE]

The Plextor PX-B940SA I purchased ~ a year ago has worked flawlessly regardless of what media I trow at it.

Haven’t really looked into the latest and greatest. I let other folks beta test new drives first.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=px-b940sa&cp=9&bav=on.1,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8694540611980172926&ei=3DpjTamxO4G-sQOR05HFCA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEQQ8wIwAg#

Jeff

[deanwitty]

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2576521]I don’t know whether DVD Identifier is the program to use for Blu Ray disks, it’s the only thing I have but hasn’t been updated for a very long time. Is the media list still valid?

As you can see below, it identifies the disks as being Philips R04.
[/QUOTE]

Results with those Philips R04’s seem to be very mixed. It may be wise to test your burns with them as extensively as you can. Using your burning software’s verification and running a transfer rate test at the least.
Here’s hoping that your batch of discs is one of the decent ones .

My own experience with Philips is with Vinpower and Optical Quantum branded discs. I am rather hesitant to purchase any more of these. Here is an average burn out of three 10 disc spindles :(. Several burns were not readable.

[Jeffrey_P]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576651]Results with those Philips R04’s seem to be very mixed. It may be wise to test your burns with them as extensively as you can. Using your burning software’s verification and running a transfer rate test at the least.
Here’s hoping that your batch of discs is one of the decent ones .

My own experience with Philips is with Vinpower and Optical Quantum branded discs. I am rather hesitant to purchase any more of these. Here is an average burn out of three 10 disc spindles :(. Several burns were not readable.[/QUOTE]

I’m looking at my Philips BD-R, 25 pack.
Not one coaster after 10 burns.

I would look into your burner and or the PC you’re trying to get positive results from.
J

[pepst]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576651]Results with those Philips R04’s seem to be very mixed. It may be wise to test your burns with them as extensively as you can. Using your burning software’s verification and running a transfer rate test at the least.
Here’s hoping that your batch of discs is one of the decent ones .

My own experience with Philips is with Vinpower and Optical Quantum branded discs. I am rather hesitant to purchase any more of these. Here is an average burn out of three 10 disc spindles :(. Several burns were not readable.[/QUOTE]

Were your media made in the Netherlands or in the India?

[deanwitty]

[QUOTE=Jeffrey_P;2576663]I’m looking at my Philips BD-R, 25 pack.
Not one coaster after 10 burns.

I would look into your burner and or the PC you’re trying to get positive results from.
J[/QUOTE]It is not a hardware problem.
As I said, results I have seen from others have been mixed, and it certainly appears that at least one manufacturing plant is/was producing decent Philips MID BD-R’s. I truly was not attempting to paint all discs with this MID with a wide brush. Merely advising caution.
Is that spindle “Philips” branded media?

[QUOTE=pepst;2576671]Were your media made in the Netherlands or in the India?[/QUOTE] I wish I knew, Pepst. No COO on the spindles. Do you know which brands are currently coming from the Netherlands?

[RedDwarf]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576651]Results with those Philips R04’s seem to be very mixed. It may be wise to test your burns with them as extensively as you can. Using your burning software’s verification and running a transfer rate test at the least.
Here’s hoping that your batch of discs is one of the decent ones .[/QUOTE]
That is what I have seen after checking other people’s experiences of them.

At the very least they are inject printable so have some protection from marker pens. I always disliked inkjet printable disks but now knowing they offer some protection from inks in marker pens my dislike for them is less.

My own experience with Philips is with Vinpower and Optical Quantum branded discs. I am rather hesitant to purchase any more of these. Here is an average burn out of three 10 disc spindles :(. Several burns were not readable.
Unfortunately I don’t have a way to do a quality test. I did a successful verification after the two burns that I have done so far but I am very doubtful about the disks.

The transfer rates tests look okay and don’t have the problems that you seem to of had. I have had to do these with my Pioneer BDR-206 as I have no other Blu Ray capable drive.
The reliability of the disks is a concern as I had planned to use Blu Ray as a backup method because of the larger capacity.

These Aone disks cost around £8 for 10 and can be purchased for as little as £7.39.

What is the riplock speed set at on your Samsung? The samsung drive costs a lot less than the Liteons, the Liteon drives approach close to what my Pioneer writer cost me and I don’t want to be shelling out again just for scanning. However the Ripping option might be used at some point in the future but it’s a lot extra to pay out.

Samsung SH-B123L £42.99
LiteOn iHES208 £87.69
LiteOn iHBS112 £79.99 but this is also a writer
Pioneer BDR-206DBK £103.12 The drive I have

So you can see there is a very big difference in prices.

[B]So what are the Ripping speeds of the Liteon drives compared with the Samsung before and after riplock is removed?[/B]

[pepst]

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2576673] I wish I knew, Pepst. No COO on the spindles. Do you know which brands are currently coming from the Netherlands?[/QUOTE]
The “Made in the Netherlands” media are no longer being produced. Most of the PhilipsR04 media nowadays are manufactured by MBIL.
Is there any visible serial number on your media?

[Stereodude]

I’ve burned a fair number (~45) of the Optical Quantum 4x discs (Philips made). All of the ones that have burned successfully (43 of 45) passed a verify and I didn’t notice any slowdowns during the verify. I should point out that the burning was done in a system that’s in another room away from me, so I wasn’t exactly keeping a close on it. Two out of those 45 generated errors during the burn and become coasters.

The Memorex 4x (Ritek made) discs similarly had 1 out of 30 that generated an error on burn the other 29 passed a verify with no observed slowdowns.

The Merax 4x discs (Optodisc made) have all burned successfully with no observed slowdowns on verify. That’s 10 so far though I had 1 of the 10 fail a verify with some sort of dime sized discoloration spot inside the disc on the recordable layer.

The Verbatim 4x (non LTH) discs I have so far are 100% for burn success and verify success, but I’ve burned less of them at 16 discs.

I am trying some speed tests of some of the Optical Quantum discs to see if I simply missed the troubles reading the discs the first time around and will report back later.

[RedDwarf]

My Aone printable disks have K03211 BD-R 25GB which can be viewed on the bottom of the disk. It’s in reverse so would of been viewable if the inkjet print layer wasn’t there.

I don’t know whether this has any meaning or whether it is an identifying mark. It’s all that is on them.