You're mixing up several completely different things. TYs rebranded by Sony and other companies are genuine TYs, with genuine hub codes and serials, so that was an answer to his question. Second, he asked for the cheapest TYs, and if you know how to shop, you can get them much cheaper in a brick and mortar store than you can mail-order. That's a fact. Those of us who have been doing it for years here in the states can attest to that. Third, my experience has been that the TYs sold under the Sony brand are premium, or at least, they burn as well as the premium unbranded TYs. If you have evidence to the contrary, please point that out to me, I'd really appreciate it. Fourth, the difference in burn quality between 16x and 8x TYs is a whole different issue, one that is distinct and separate from the issue of premium vs. value line. You can't conflate the two.