When will you have at least 100Mbps internet at home?



I doubt if any of the readers here plan to emigrate to places like Tokyo or Seoul just to use cheap 100Mbps lines. :slight_smile: What’s stopping you from having such things in your place? Bush? RIAA? BT? Mao’s sons? Your father? Deans?


the money is stopping me at this moment :slight_smile:


But there must be some forces that make you charge too much. Bush doesn’t operate the telecommunication and internet businesses himself but he must have made some of the big decisions. I’m not sure if Microsoft wants free 100Mbps or 1Gbps internet at every home in the US and Europe or not because such a change will both lead to easier and faster piracy of Microsoft Windows OS and Office software products than ever and stimulate a lot of Microsoft’s software businesses (like XBox online.) In South Korea, the game industry, web-hard companies, PC bangs, telecom internet service providers, small shops without enough means to reach more customers, and more have all benefitted greatly from the widespread xDSL and FTTH installation. Housekeepers often have nothing better than shopping online for hours while their children and husbands are gone to schools and workplaces. Students often spend hours smoking or video-chatting or watching porno or gaming at PC bangs (often for a little under US$1 per hour.) Prostitution is safer and easier on online video chatting rooms and “adult video” sites also make easy money because they themselves don’t have to invest in hardware at their customer’s homes.


The lack of fiber optic cables around here.


We’re mostly at the mercy of BT here in the UK. Such a leviathon is very slow moving when it comes to widespread availability of the latest technology. They want guarantees that there will be sufficient demand to pay for new network technology before they will roll it out. Considering the situation in 2000 here most people were using dial-up connections and being charged by the minute for the privilege. Now we have 2Mbit connections pretty much across the country and 8Mb in large cities where local-loop unbundling has started off. Unfortunately ADSL still relies on telephone lines and compatible exchanges to work - with only 256kbit upload speed across the board. BT still get a large revenue from leased lines and until consumers pressure BT and watchdog groups they’ll sit on their laurels raking in the cash.



The prices, it it’s at all possible here.


Fiber cables don’t cost much in the first place. They use LAN (like 100Mbps standard CAT 5 or CAT 5E) cables or copper wires already used for PSTN and xDSL to connect from x point to each home and each port. I don’t know the exact details but KT (the NTT of South Korea) has underground fiber cables along the various streets and roads in this town and they usually go into most (probably all) apartment and commercial buildings. From there, they use hub-like equipment to distribute the connection to each home and then the hub at each home distributes it to each port. So fiber cable requirement’s actually nearly negligible. Many times more CAT5E cables are used and they cost nearly nothing. I have hundreds of meters of both CAT5/CAT5E and CAT6 cables (originally bought to connect many computers via Gigabit hubs) and they were cheaper than a few meters of HDMI or DVI cables.

However, they say it costs like 20 or more billions in USDs to connect every home with all fiber even in a small country like South Korea. For now, I think Gigabit LAN combined with fiber is best for practical home internet.


It is?

Also in Noord-Holland??


The machines and personel needed to install them do. Remember that the distances in Sweden is entirely different from SK, area wise its a full 4,5 times bigger with only 20 people per square kilometer, compared to 488 per square kilometer in SK.
This makes an enterprise such as connecting everybody with 100mbit fiber impossible. Larger cities are always developed, the city of Lund for example has 1Gbps internet access for private individuals, but connecting everyone in the entire country via 100mbit fiber is never going to happen.


the bad cables, which even don’t allow me to have dsl @ my place. so i’m stuck on 56k modem… :frowning:


No country with at least 100,000 square kilometer area has fiber at every home. 100Mbps internet doesn’t mean 100Mbps fiber. Using fiber cables for 100Mbps internet is ridiculous because even very cheap CAT5 cables and USB 2.0 cables are good enough for 100Mbps.

Ask your local internet companies how much it costs to have fiber installed on certain roads. NOT on all the streets. Certainly cables can’t cost more than the roads themselves. Or buildings for that matter. Perhaps one hundredth of the cost to build some other important infrastructure. Though land is scarce in South Korea compared to Sweden, that also makes land much more expensive which really accounts for the biggest part of any construction works here. Labor isn’t cheap in South Korea either and it’s actually most expensive after Japan in East Asia, but it doesn’t take a lot of human labor hours to build just some fiber cables for home internet.

As for 1Gbps for private individuals, can you have it for US$20 per month? I mean, what’s the point of having Benz for US$100,000 when you earn US$500 per month and have to spend US$450 on food and other basic things? If high cost of fiber cables and labor can explain why nearly free 100Mbps or faster home internet doesn’t exist in Europe, what about the Netherlands? Or Berlin, Paris, London, Madrid, Moscow, etc. Unlike in South Korea, most cities in Western Europe already have good paved roads and railways (imagine having to spend billions of USDs at once just to acquire some land to start construction of anything) and average tax income per capita is about 10 times as high as in South Korea.

Maybe there is a secret agency working for RIAA or something like that that sends assassins to everyone who preaches free and fast internet on every wall? (Such assassins can’t work in most East Asian countries where guns and such are strictly prohibited.) J/K.


If that’s what your telecom company told you, they are lying or lazy. You don’t need new cables to use 25-50Mbps DSL. That was the same lies I heard when I used PSTN, TT, and ISDN. They used to say cables in South Korea are worse than those in Europe, US, and Japan and so 2.4Kbps modem is the maximum realistic speed, later changed with 14.4Kbps, and then 28K and 33K and 56K… and ISDN… and ADSL but limited to a few MB/s… now they advertise 50Mbps or 100Mbps and pay to make PSTN/ADSL/cable subscribers to 100Mbps.


Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Though I say “FTTH” which stands for “fiber-to-the-home”, I use the term just because it has been used for years to mean 100Mbps internet here. The original plan was to have fiber to every home but later they wanted to save cost due to the world-notorious economic crisis of the recent years so they chose to install fiber as close to each home as possible allowed within the budget.



Fiber in the Loop (FITL) Used by the telephone industry to describe the deployment of fiber on the subscriber side of class 5 telephone switches.
Fiber Optic Cable Transmission medium composed of glass or plastic fibers; pulses of light are emitted from a laser-type source. Fiber optic cabling is the present cabling of choice for all interexchange networks,and increasingly for the local exchange loops as well; it is high security, high bandwidth, and takes little conduit space.
Fiber To The Cabinet Network architecture where an optical fiber connects the telephone switch to a cabinet where the signal is converted to feed the subscriber over a twisted copper pair.
Fiber to the Curb (FTTC) An access network in which fiber is used for part, but not all of the link from the OLT to the end-user. An optical to electrical (O/E) conversion takes place somewhere near the end-user. The terminal network segment of a FTTC network is usually twisted copper pairs or coaxial cable. The final optical receiver in a FTTC network typically serves several customers. See also Fiber to the Node.
Fiber to the Feeder (FTF) A term typically used to describe CATV Fiber to the Node networks. Coaxial cables are normally used for the terminal network segment (from the node to the end-user).
Fiber to the Feeder (FTF) Term typically used to describe CATV Fiber to the Node networks. Coaxial cables are normally used for the terminal network segment (from the node to the end-user).
Fiber to the Home (FTTH) An OAN in which the ONU is on or within the customer’s premises. Although the first-installed capacity of an FTTH network varies, the upgrade capacity of a FTTH network exceeds all other transmission media.
Fiber to the Node (FTTN) An access network in which fiber is used for part, but not all of the link from the OLT to the end-user. An optical to electrical (O/E) conversion takes place at an active device called a Node. This Node typically serves a neighborhood or geographically similar area, which is larger than the typical service area in an FTTC deployment. The terminal network segment is usually twisted copper pairs or coaxial cable. Most current CATV and Telephony networks have FTTN architectures.
Fiber-in-the-Loop (FITL) Used by the telephone industry to describe the deployment of fiber on the subscriber side of class 5 telephone switches (see Loop).


pardon my typo. the first “it” should be read as “if”


no, they are not lying. they are just telling that we have fiber-cable here, and it is too expensive for the company to “buy” or “develope” the needed technical stuff to bring dsl via fiber here… atm, in germany, only ppl who are connected via copper cable can have dsl… but the HIGHEST “official” dsl-end-user-speed which is free for everyone is 6mbit - and only in special areas…


100Mbps internet in the UK before 2010? you’ve got more chance of getting a blwjb from the pope :slight_smile:



Hmm, well, most broadband contracts over here lasts 12 months, so I should hopefully upgrade my speed every time. In 24 months I’ve gone from 56k to 512k to 2Mb, so, lets hope it quadruples every year…that’ll take about 4 years - 2009 :smiley:

I’ve heard one or two companies trialling 24Mb broadband here, and I can already get 8Mb if I wanted to, so it’s certainly possible up to a point, I guess. However, I’m only going to get it if it’s the same price as my current connection.

I paid: £15/month for 56k, £18/month for 512k and now £20/month for 2mb, so obviously I would like 100Mbps to be in the same price region when I do, finally, get it.


Only about 2 years ago this line was upgraded to cope with any broadband. It is a 2MB line, so I don’t think it is going to be able to get any faster for a LONG time.

I think it is a very small market of people who need faster than 2MB, so I would say after 2010. Then again by then I wont be living here any more.

I think for residential users in the UK the prospects are not good for the connections getting any faster.

Ben :slight_smile:


LOL :bigsmile:

I thought I had missed something. :iagree:


Internet compaines do seem lazy. My cable provider, when I talked to them on the phone, said that I could have two separate lines for internet. Basically 2 lines at 3mbps each. They would have to run a new line to my house, no big deal right? Wrong. After waiting a week for them to come run the wire, they finally get here and the contracter tells me they can’t do it.

I said excuse me? He told me that for an unknown reason they couldn’t have two cable modems in the same house. I wish I would have been there, I was at work on the phone with him. Then I said, well upgrade my slow connection. He then tells me that the internet will go as fast as my computer. wtf is that suposed to mean? 100mbps? Ha! I was having a bad dayand didn’t have time to argue with him and just told him to leave.

But come morning, I’m calling them up and speaking with someone’s supervisor. That’s complete crap, the guy was just tooo lazy to do it, there is no reason why a completly separate line wouldn’t work.

I will probably go back the the dsl provider here. At least then I had 1.5 down and 1.0 up. Cable company promised me 3.0 down and 3.0 up. That’s why I switched in the first place. So I’m really pissed about the whole situation. I’m only getting 1.7 actual down (a negligble increase) and 276kbps up. :a

I would love a 100mbps connection to my home, even something like 50mbps would be very good. I’ve only got my PC and xbox hooked up online and how fast sustained transfer could my hdd’s do? :stuck_out_tongue: That and I’m on a 54mbps Wireless LAN.