What is Subpicture?

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#1

Hello
What is subpicture and should I include it when I copy a movie?

Thanks


#2

[QUOTE=keepsmiling;2223809]Hello
What is subpicture and should I include it when I copy a movie?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Knowing what it is will generally answer the question as to whether you want to include it or not as part of the rip.

In most cases, the subpicture(s) are the subtitles in various languages (if you don’t speak English and the sountrack is in English).

In some select cases, where various camera angles are offered as part of the DVD package, the subpictures can also be those extra camera angles.

As to whether you want to keep them or not, the choice is yours.

O’C

:slight_smile:


#3

[quote=keepsmiling;2223809]Hello
What is subpicture and should I include it when I copy a movie?

Thanks[/quote]Subpictures are a graphical display system that are a part of DVD-Video. There can be up to 32 subpicture streams and they can be used for subtitles, menus highlights and many other effects. The most common use of these bitmap images is to display subtitles. As such, you would want to include the ones that might enhance the particular movie you are processing. Many movies have what are called forced subpicture streams, which means they display automatically without user intervention. The most common use for these is providing translations of spoken dialog that is foreign to the region where the DVD is sold. Da Vinci Code used these. DVDFab displays the available streams for each title you have selected in the lower right corner for all copy modes except Clone and Full Disc. You can use the Preview function to select each stream while the movie is playing to see what they are if no description is provided. I always include the english stream (usually the top one on DVDFab’s list with region one DVDs) in case I ever need to watch silently. They are small, typically a few MB, and don’t increase the size of the DVD files much if you include them. I’m not aware of subpictures being used for different angles, other than perhaps as an on-screen cue that another angle is available. One of the Predator movies used a subpicture of predator’s head to alert you to extra content or deleted scenes as I recall.


#4

Now that’s what I call going into detail :bigsmile:


#5

It is a complicated subject and can be confusing for new users.


#6

[QUOTE=signals;2223920]Subpictures are a graphical display system that are a part of DVD-Video. There can be up to 32 subpicture streams and they can be used for subtitles, menus highlights and many other effects. The most common use of these bitmap images is to display subtitles. As such, you would want to include the ones that might enhance the particular movie you are processing. Many movies have what are called forced subpicture streams, which means they display automatically without user intervention. The most common use for these is providing translations of spoken dialog that is foreign to the region where the DVD is sold. Da Vinci Code used these. DVDFab displays the available streams for each title you have selected in the lower right corner for all copy modes except Clone and Full Disc. You can use the Preview function to select each stream while the movie is playing to see what they are if no description is provided. I always include the english stream (usually the top one on DVDFab’s list with region one DVDs) in case I ever need to watch silently. They are small, typically a few MB, and don’t increase the size of the DVD files much if you include them. I’m not aware of subpictures being used for different angles, other than perhaps as an on-screen cue that another angle is available. One of the Predator movies used a subpicture of predator’s head to alert you to extra content or deleted scenes as I recall.[/QUOTE]

long story short … subtitles

sorry had to do it. :slight_smile:


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#9

[QUOTE=signals;2223920]Subpictures are a graphical display system that are a part of DVD-Video. There can be up to 32 subpicture streams and they can be used for subtitles, menus highlights and many other effects. The most common use of these bitmap images is to display subtitles. As such, you would want to include the ones that might enhance the particular movie you are processing. Many movies have what are called forced subpicture streams, which means they display automatically without user intervention. The most common use for these is providing translations of spoken dialog that is foreign to the region where the DVD is sold. Da Vinci Code used these. DVDFab displays the available streams for each title you have selected in the lower right corner for all copy modes except Clone and Full Disc. You can use the Preview function to select each stream while the movie is playing to see what they are if no description is provided. I always include the english stream (usually the top one on DVDFab’s list with region one DVDs) in case I ever need to watch silently. They are small, typically a few MB, and don’t increase the size of the DVD files much if you include them. I’m not aware of subpictures being used for different angles, other than perhaps as an on-screen cue that another angle is available. One of the Predator movies used a subpicture of predator’s head to alert you to extra content or deleted scenes as I recall.[/QUOTE]

To clarify, you are saying these are the subtitles that the movie plays by itself, not the language translation track? I did not select Forced Subtitles while backing up Syriana, so all the arab language dialog scenes had no subtitles. Made the movie unwatchable. Don’t some movies show the forced subtitles down in the “black bars” instead of over the film? Will autocropping crop out the forced subtitles?


#10

No, the subtitles will be up in the video with auto crop selected for most movies. Translation subtitles are displayed in several different ways. Selecting “Display only forced…” usually gets them, but you have to select the correct subpicture stream that contains them. Some movies have the translation subs in their own stream which is turned on by the menu system (defaulted, not forced) so you would just select that stream and [B]not[/B] check the “Display only forced…” box. Use the Preview window to see which stream is which by right clicking on the display while the preview is playing and selecting each available stream. There will be a slight pause in the playback as you change subpicture or audio streams this way.