What is better...Inkjet or Thermal CD/DVD printing?

OK! First off hi to all…Im new here to these forums although I have been referring to them here lately for some questions of mine…One that I have been researching alot and have yet to find very good resourceful stuff is whether inkjet or thermal cd/dvd printing is better? The pros and cons of both and how easily does inkjet cd printing smear?

I could make this thread huge with all the questions and links and what not to all that I have found but Im going to try and keep it simple!

I have been looking around for an inexpensive inkjet or thermal cd printer and have yet to find many things…By cheap I mean under $75.00 for a used or new one…

I have found some of both on ebay which consist of epson, Teac and one more Rigma or something like that…I have noticed on the thermal printers that they hold one cartridge at a time but I have read somewhere that you can print multiple colors on one disc by switching out the ink ribbons…Is this the case with all of them? I have also seen some that are considered “color” thermal printers that seem to have an array of colors but are priced at about $1000 - $8000! Not going to pay that much…

I have read that inkjet cd printers make very nice results but smear very easily (I.E. from the touch of a sweaty finger or just moisture in the room). Not that I would have sweaty fingers but sometimes after gaming and you want to change out the disc you could have moisture on your hands. Is this the case?

Ok here is the main reason I am wanting to get either of these printers! First off I like to make backups of my game discs! Here recently I have started backing up my Old Turboduo/PC Engine and Dreamcast games and have made cases to match the originals! I dont like using a sharpie to label the discs and I dont want to use sticker labels (especially on the turboduo games since the extra weight and drag would wear the motor down faster).

I like lightscribe well enough to use that BUT the data side wont read on either systems…Infact they wont even burn in the correct mode needed for dreamcast…

I believe the turboduo games were thermal printed back in the day since all the discs were either white background with the image (Blue,black,red) printed on it or silver background with the image printed on it…

I dont think inkjet would be the correct way to go since you have to handle the game discs alot differently usually needing to touch the labeled side to put in or take out which would I assume cause smearing.

The issue with thermal is that on the dreamcasts disc most labels are full color labels so inkjet would have to be used… correct?

I want all of my stuff to look like an original disc and be able to take the same abuse when handleing the disc as if it were an original disc…Can this be done all with an inkjet or only with thermal?

Ok well I think that is everything I have to say here are some images of a Turbo Duo disc and dreamcast disc as examples of the differences Im talking about and what Im trying to copy! Hope they help

EDIT The images I inserted didnt show up so I just added the link directly to the image…Thanks sorry for the inconvenience*

Turbo Duo game Dracula X:
Disc is white media with black printed picture (Thermal can do this…Correct?)

Click Here

Turbo Duo game Ys Book I & II:
Disc is silver media with black and blue printed picture (Thermal can do this…correct?)

Click Here

Dreamcast game Crazy Taxi 2:
I assume disc is silver media with multiple colors printed on it (Thermal cant do this but inkjet can…Correct?)

Click Here

Thanks for any help you guys can provide and hope to meet some new peeps! Sorry my first post is so extensivly long I tried to make it short!

First off welcome to the forum :smiley:

You could always go with say the Epson R280 or RX595 printer and use some TY Water Shield DVD -R disc’s which resist
moister and smearing but they are not cheap to buy. They will most likely do all that you want them to do and more by
not smearing when handling them. With say the Epson printer you could always go with a CISS system and save a lot of
money on ink enough to make the TY disc more affordable in the long run.

If you hurry you can pick up a brand new Epson R280 for only $69.99 sale ends Wednesday
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=63069504

or if you have the room and would like to have an AIO you can pick up a Refurbished RX595 for only $65.00 both
printers have free shipping on them I bought one of the Refurbished RX595 printers and and a CISS system to go
with it and I couldn’t be happier with it.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=63076163

Compatible CISS CIS Ink for Epson R260 R280 R380 price US $38.88 free shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/Compatible-CISS-CIS-Ink-for-Epson-R260-R280-R380_W0QQitemZ180348633900QQihZ008QQcategoryZ51292QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Compatible CISS CIS Ink for epson RX580 RX595 RX680 price US $38.88 free shipping this is the one I bought
http://cgi.ebay.com/Compatible-CISS-CIS-Ink-for-epson-RX580-RX595-RX680_W0QQitemZ180348641318QQihZ008QQcategoryZ51292QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Ok now for the Taiyo Yuden Water Shields @ Meritline free shipping
Taiyo Yuden (DVD-WPPSB16-WS) 16X Water Shield White Inkjet Hub Printable DVD-R Media
http://www.meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-16x-dvd-r-water-shield-white-inkjet-printable---p-18378.aspx

Taiyo Yuden Water Shield @ Shop4Tech free shipping
http://www.shop4tech.com/item7412.html

Taiyo Yuden Water Shield @ Supermediastore free shipping
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-16x-dvd-r-media-water-shield-white-inkjet-hub-printable-in-cake-box-spindle.html

thermal printing is ideal for text based and very simple graphics, single color. It is possible to print multi colors but you need a Rimage Prism Plus link to manufacturers site: http://www.rimage.com/products/printer-series/prismplus.html

Certainly the Teac P-11 is a good cheap thermal printer. It’s a consumer printer so don’t expect pro performance. They print in zones, not anywhere on the disc. Thermal printable media is cheap.

Thermal printing is what we call direct to disc printing and offers the least expensive method of printing.

Another type of thermal printing, splits into two technologies, thermal retransfer and dye sublimation. This type of thermal re-transfer produces the best looking discs in full color and no smudges or or special inkjet media. Teac makes the P-55 which can operate in thermal re-transfer mode or dye sublimation mode. The unique feature in the P-55 is the VersaMax ribbon which can print on any almost any media type.

Inkjet printing has a low entry level point for the equipment but carries many of the disadvantages of inkjet printers in general. That is the cost factor is the ink and media. It is possible to refill cartridges but you do violate your warranty. If you spent $1000 for a CD printer you might not like that result.
I would stay away from the all in one inkjet printers. We had nothing but problems with them. Customers think they are production units when you are pushing the envelope at 2 discs a month. The caddy seems to wear out the rollers and that is the end of that.
Judging by your requirements you would be best served with the P-11 thermal printer. Does not support the Mac.

[QUOTE=Ysfanboy;2265142]I have read that inkjet cd printers make very nice results but smear very easily (I.E. from the touch of a sweaty finger or just moisture in the room). Not that I would have sweaty fingers but sometimes after gaming and you want to change out the disc you could have moisture on your hands. [B][I]Is this the case?[/I][/B]

Thanks for any help you guys can provide and hope to meet some new peeps! Sorry my first post is so extensivly long I tried to make it short![/QUOTE]

Welcome to CDFreaks :flower:
I have plain matte printables that have been handled for years, and they are holding up quite well. Other than the ones I spilled coffee on :). Watershield’s are of course more immune to that kind of damage.
The discs you listed would print very well with inkjet, first two might be best with silver printables, last one with white.
If I was looking to get the most for my money, no question I would spend it on the RX595 and CISS that gives you a great disc printer, scanner, copier, and computer printer rather than a cheap disc-only printer that’s only going to give you so-so results. I like to get the most for my money :). Speaking of which, I’ve spent $38.00 on ink in the last year to print 100’s of discs, photo’s, plain paper, and that CISS is still 1/4 full :flower:.

[QUOTE=CDR Sam;2265388]thermal printing is ideal for text based and very simple graphics, single color.I would stay away from the all in one inkjet printers. We had nothing but problems with them. Customers think they are production units when you are pushing the envelope at 2 discs a month. The caddy seems to wear out the rollers and that is the end of that.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear your envelope only holds 24 discs a year :). Printed 100’s of discs in the last year with my RX680 and no signs of wear, tray works perfectly. Very different from last gen Epsons. Which printers are you having such poor results with? Might be helpful for folks to know which to avoid.

I have an Everest printer sitting next to me (well actually a Rimage 7100 Publisher). :flower:

We have sold the consumer Epson printers. Maybe the new generation is ‘better’.

The only Epson I would recommend would be the Discproducer http://discproducer.epson.com/disc_producer :wink:

I’m caught between the wanting the disc to look exactly like the original and a very cheap printer :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=CDR Sam;2265480]I have an Everest printer sitting next to me (well actually a Rimage 7100 Publisher). :flower:

We have sold the consumer Epson printers. Maybe the new generation is ‘better’.

The only Epson I would recommend would be the Discproducer http://discproducer.epson.com/disc_producer :wink:

I’m caught between the wanting the disc to look exactly like the original and a very cheap printer :)[/QUOTE]
Never doubted your expertise in duplication machines :flower:. Just that the poster seems interested in small-scale disc printing, and my very good experiences with the abilities of the new Epsons leads me to think its a viable solution. Gets a very good scanner to dupe those discs, as well :).

First off thank you for the valuble information! :clap: I posted up a couple 1 day auctions to pay for the printer on ebay…I hope they sale! cause I dont have the extra cash laying around at the moment. I sent you a PM asking a couple of more questions mainly what is a CISS system and how well does the Epson AIO you mentioned fair as far as the cd tray breaking? I noticed its refurb so that to me shows a bad sign but nevertheless a GRAT deal! EDIT Thanks for the reply to my PM and answering my questions!

Thank you for the information :slight_smile: CDR Sam but as deanwitty said :iagree:

I am infact looking for small-scale stuff at a good price and good quality! I want it to look like the original as much as possible (which would promote the thermal printing but at to high of a cost). Yes I also need a good quality scanner to copy my discs and cd covers!

First off thanks for the info and the welcome to the forums! I will definitly check out the watershields seem like a good way to go for lasting copys! I have looked into the TY cd’s already and also Verbatim. I need the light blue data surface for sure especially for the turboduo games (the laser is very sensitive to what material it reads) since the laser is a 1bit DAC 1x! Also as you mentioned CISS and the RX595 my questions still stand what is CISS mean and for? AND is the RX595 known for having the issues with the cd tray? :wink: EDIT Ok I think I know what the CISS system is! Pretty much a huge supply of ink formely know as “Ink Tanks”…My second question about the RX595 seems to be answered too but I still would like some opinions…Thanks Guys for all the help!

:o yes I missed the price range. I was going to suggest this for duplication (the biggest duplicator by ALP) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KinuMGiRoxk 10K disc capacity. Printers extra

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2265498]Never doubted your expertise in duplication machines :flower:. Just that the poster seems interested in small-scale disc printing, and my very good experiences with the abilities of the new Epsons leads me to think its a viable solution. Gets a very good scanner to dupe those discs, as well :).[/QUOTE]

WOW thats huge!!!Whats up with the chick that shows xray pictures of a rib cage on the pc towards the end? LOL Did I miss something?

[QUOTE=Ysfanboy;2265538]Thanks Guys for all the help![/QUOTE]

You are always welcome :iagree:.

[QUOTE=CDR Sam;2265615]:o yes I missed the price range. I was going to suggest this for duplication (the biggest duplicator by ALP) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KinuMGiRoxk 10K disc capacity. Printers extra[/QUOTE]
Nice :bigsmile:. Thank you for the primer on thermal printing :).

LOL I think it started as a CD-R jukebox and by the time they were done designing it DVD was defacto storage. DOS and Win95 seem to be the OS in use. Xrays are a subtle visual message to the health care industry that this “pleasant to look at unit” can be placed anyplace including the company’s cafeteria :bigsmile: pre-HIPAA

Actually I have a whole collection of cool dups and printer videos on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cddimensions&view=favorites (not a commercial for us) based off lego MINDSTORMS and then some other erector set constructions. Very cool stuff. Always looking for more. My wife will not let me buy the MINDSTORMS kit :frowning: so I just have to look at everyone else.

[QUOTE=Ysfanboy;2265651]WOW thats huge!!!Whats up with the chick that shows xray pictures of a rib cage on the pc towards the end? LOL Did I miss something?[/QUOTE]

Well Im happy to say that yesterday I purchase the Epson RX595 printer! It shows to have shipped out today…Now I gotta get some printable cd media so hurray! Also I finally got my dreamcast hookups so I can start having some fun with that system again! Time to pull out my collection!

i think that thermal printer is quite better than an inkjet printer since inkjet is an old technology and nowdays they are not in use…

Good choice on the Epson RX595! You’ll find out that you will get much better quality print jobs with the Espon versus a thermal printer. More photo quality and better depth of color.

If you are looking for water resistant media, you can consider Optical Quantum Liquid Defense. The MSRP price is 30% cheaper than Taiyo Yuden.

Optical Quantum Liquid Defense can be found at the following websites:

http://www.octave.com/_-CD-R+RW+Media/Optical+Quantum+Liquid+Defense.html

http://runtechmedia.com/product.asp?sku=OQBPDVDmR8xWP50&a=11

http://www.opticalquantum.com/Products/Category/Product.asp?level=Category

[QUOTE=jacky1212;2284491]If you are looking for water resistant media, you can consider Optical Quantum Liquid Defense. The MSRP price is 30% cheaper than Taiyo Yuden.[/QUOTE]
Optical Quantums are an interesting in-between choice. A decent matte white print surface. Image quality not nearly as impressive to me as a glossy watershield. Not as water-resistant either, in my experience. Discs were TYG02’s, so no complaints about burn quality. Found myself going right back to watching for the best price on watershields :).
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