Western Digital acquires Hitachi, will dominate HDD market

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Western Digital acquires Hitachi, will dominate HDD market.

[newsimage]http://static.rankone.nl/images_posts/2011/03/NCh17n.jpg[/newsimage]Two of the major players in the digital storage industry joined forces on Monday as Western Digital (WD) acquired Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (GST) for $3.5 billion in cash, and an additional 25 million stock shares worth $750 million.


Read the full article here: [http://www.myce.com/news/western-digital-acquires-hitachi-will-dominate-hdd-market-41071/](http://www.myce.com/news/western-digital-acquires-hitachi-will-dominate-hdd-market-41071/)


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#2

If Hitachi can raise WD"s manufacturing standards, wonderful.
If WD brings Hitachi drives down to WD standards then I’ll be looking
for a SSD! I’ve found WD drives to be about as reliable as a Politician’s
Promise the day after the Election.


#3

I agree with olddancer. I currently have six Hitachi drives (two in RAID 1 and four in RAID 0+1) that have been excellent in performance and reliability. It would be a shame if the quality dropped down to that of WD drives that I have used in the past.


#4

I got a WD TV HD media player a few months back, Plays anything I throw at it, The kids(teenagers) use it every day, nice product!!!


#5

Hitachi -> Faster HDD’s …
WD -> Die early HDD’s …

Hitach+WD -> Die early Faster HDD’s :wink:


#6

Also see this thread: http://club.myce.com/f138/western-digital-pay-4-3b-hitachi-drive-unit-320277/#post2578915


#7

[QUOTE=debro;2578943]Hitachi -> Faster HDD’s …
WD -> Die early HDD’s …

Hitach+WD -> Die early Faster HDD’s ;)[/QUOTE]

And this is based on???


#8

[QUOTE=RichMan;2578933]I agree with olddancer. I currently have six Hitachi drives (two in RAID 1 and four in RAID 0+1) that have been excellent in performance and reliability. It would be a shame if the quality dropped down to that of WD drives that I have used in the past.[/QUOTE]

Based on???


#9

[QUOTE=olddancer;2578922]If Hitachi can raise WD"s manufacturing standards, wonderful.
If WD brings Hitachi drives down to WD standards then I’ll be looking
for a SSD! I’ve found WD drives to be about as reliable as a Politician’s
Promise the day after the Election.[/QUOTE]

That statement couldn’t be farther from the truth…at least the HDD is more transparent and can’t lie…


#10

Seemed to me my family and myself had problems with WD drives all the time. I always use Seagate Barracuda now. Cant say I’ve ever sen a Hitachi drive in a computer shop.


#11

Less competition is always bad for the consumer, for that reason alone, I’m bummed on this acquisition.


#12

[QUOTE=Blu-rayFreak;2579052]Less competition is always bad for the consumer, for that reason alone, I’m bummed on this acquisition.[/QUOTE]Those are my feelings too.

Regarding WD
I’ve had no luck with them, and now only use Samsung.


#13

Um, what about Seagate ? They bought Maxtor a few years ago, I thought this put them in a dominant position ?

coolcolors, WD have had a bad rap from alot of sources over the years. My company’s supplier steers clear of them from their integration solutions due to lack of reliability. These guys know their stuff, the industry they and deal with very high volume of system integrations per year.

Alas,I experienced problems with WD drives myself and never went back.
I have always preferred Seagate myself, specially in the Enterprise class high end drives. My company integrates 1000’s of these drives into our products every year with low failure rates.
Unfortunately Seagate had that firmware / drive-brick debacle a couple of years ago on some consumer class models and that sure tainted their reputation.


#14

I have a mixture of a 1TB Hitachi and 2 Hitachi 2TB’s hdd’s and
2 Western Digital 1TB hdd’s in my system right now and in the
2 external enclosures I have a 1TB Hitachi and a 500GB Western
Digital hdd’s and the Hitachi drives are always a little faster in all
the benchmarks over the WD drives.

As for reliability they are all on par with each other as I’ve not…
so far experienced any failures out of any of them not anything like
I did out of the Seagate drives I’ve tried to use.

I had a brand new 1TB Seagate die out in just a very, very short while
and the first replacement of it lased only a few days and its replacement
only lasted a few minutes out of the box before going belly up and having
me throw it in the trash can and not even trying to get it replaced again
and I swore completely off of every buying another Seagate hdd again.

Some of you will say it was just a recent thing for all of the bad Seagate
hdd’s but I had bad experiences with Seagate hdd’s long before the most
recent firmware debacle. I even had problems with Seagate hdd’s as far
back as 2000 and then with this last bad firmware debacle that was what
a couple of years ago that is what really done me in on ever buying anything
with the Seagate name on it again.


#15

[QUOTE=coolcolors;2578966]And this is based on???[/QUOTE]
All of my statistically insignificant 5x WD HDD’s have broken down within their useful life … which I pretty much define as 3-4 years, after which the capacity and speed is too small and slow for palming off to some other poor sucker that needs to replace their 10yr old HDD and doesn’t want to pay for it.

I’ve wiped, smashed & thrown out about 3x hitachi 2.5" HDDs which were running, up until the point I repeatedly bashed them with a hammer …

Of course, i recognise that there are 6 billion people in the world, making myself statistically insignificant, and certainly the discarded HDD’s statistically insignificant …

Just pointing out that my WD HDD’s have all been relatively slow and the least reliable of any HDD’s I’ve bought … with the exception of seagate … but I haven’t bought seagate in last few years … except a recent 2TB Seagate that was 2 for $180 about 6 months ago.

So I’m open to re-evaluation …


#16

[QUOTE=getit29;2579094]I had a brand new 1TB Seagate die out in just a very, very short while
and the first replacement of it lased only a few days and its replacement
only lasted a few minutes out of the box before going belly up and having
me throw it in the trash can and not even trying to get it replaced again
and I swore completely off of every buying another Seagate hdd again.

Some of you will say it was just a recent thing for all of the bad Seagate
hdd’s but I had bad experiences with Seagate hdd’s long before the most
recent firmware debacle. I even had problems with Seagate hdd’s as far
back as 2000 and then with this last bad firmware debacle that was what
a couple of years ago that is what really done me in on ever buying anything
with the Seagate name on it again.[/QUOTE]
So … you’re a spring chicken with the seagate experience, then …

1997 -> First year of university … when I was really poor … I bought 1x seagate HDD with my few spare pennies (actually it was my food budget) … had to be replaced twice … 1st one … broke after 30mins (during windows install … ffs) … next one … broke atfter 1 day use … the replacement broke after 2 weeks … then I got a refund …
Ok, fine, be a skeptic … sometimes manufacturers have a bad batch … it’s just unlucky … right :wink:

1998 -> Different series of Seagate HDD’s … a friend had the same as above, gave up, bought WD - not sure what happened with his WD … probably also broke down …

1999 … My Maxtor raid 0 array was slowng down for no apparent reason, and raid monitorig program was complaining it had issues … I ran down to the shops, bought a shiny new WD HDD, copied all my important documents to the new WD … redefined/reformatted the raid array, reinstalled windows/etc and was 20% through the process of putting my doc’s back on the raid array … the WD HDD broke down … FSS.

2001 … a friends went through the same problem … shiny new pair of seagate HDD’s in raid … and called me in when it broke after a few days … FFS … (this is when I gave up on Raid 0) :wink:
One of the HDD’s was fubar … was replaced … the other HDD broke down after 2 weeks … shop was out of seagates … waited 3 weeks, and the “replacement” HDD was a new series … FFS … he demanded full refund for both drives, and bought something else.

2004 … my parents got their new PC … brand spanking new shiny seagate HDD … after 3 months … it started to slooooow dooooowwwwn for no apparent reason … wtf? after another 2 months … broke down … still in warranty … FFS - RMA’d the drive, bought them a new (samsung) HDD and palmed the RMA’d drive off to someone else that thought I was doing them a favour … Gee I’m a bastard …


#17

My last drive purchase was a 1tb caviar black drive for about $100-- about 2 months after I bought it the price dropped about $20 and is probably about only $10 less now due to supply/demand ratios.

I don’t see how WD merging with HItachi gets their prices lower and/or innovation in a better place. Will a stronger WD/Hitachi force Seagate to undercut them on prices?

Doubtful. What this will probably motivate is smaller players samsung and toshiba into smaller market shares and force them to compete on price where they were given a pass before as there were enough similarly priced product. What we’re looking for is the competition and market conditions when we get to 4tb internal hard drives for desktops and 1-2tb notebook hard drives. Would be a shame if non-competition pushes the 4+tb hard drives into the less affordable range for a much longer time (12+ months, similar to blue ray burners).

What will the prices and/or quality be?


#18

[QUOTE=debro;2579104]
Just pointing out that my WD HDD’s have all been relatively slow and the least reliable of any HDD’s I’ve bought … with the exception of seagate … but I haven’t bought seagate in last few years … except a recent 2TB Seagate that was 2 for $180 about 6 months ago.

So I’m open to re-evaluation …[/QUOTE]

This is more like comparing apples to oranges again without any specifications to base off or to test with. I used WD HDD IDE since they came out and only one lasted 7 years before going out and the rest I just outgrew their capacity and the switch to Sata. Relatively slow doesn’t say much when there nothing to compare with the same specs to test with. Also we don’t know how your hardware setup was and how you used the HDD doesn’t give a full picture of the usage of the HDD to determine it MTBF of lifespan runtime. As anything how you treat your hardware or amount of dust bunnies that grow inside your case will shorten the lifespan of any hardware.


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[QUOTE=coolcolors;2579130]This is more like comparing apples to oranges again without any specifications to base off or to test with. I used WD HDD IDE since they came out and only one lasted 7 years before going out and the rest I just outgrew their capacity and the switch to Sata. Relatively slow doesn’t say much when there nothing to compare with the same specs to test with. Also we don’t know how your hardware setup was and how you used the HDD doesn’t give a full picture of the usage of the HDD to determine it MTBF of lifespan runtime. As anything how you treat your hardware or amount of dust bunnies that grow inside your case will shorten the lifespan of any hardware.[/QUOTE]
YMMV :wink:

Quite frankly, I can’t remember the model no# of most of my currently operating HDD’s … let alone the model no#, model revision and firmware revisions of anything 10years ago.

And yes … as mentioned above … statistically insignificant :iagree:

But if you want accurate figures and statistics for model numbers … perhaps you can ask the marketting department of the relevant manufacturer for their figures on breakdowns, and their level of support for warranties :rolleyes:

Of course … for brand new HDD’s, short of installing them into a PC, beginning a slipstreamed installation of an OS, and then hauling the PC & UPS off a cliff … unacceptable. And then having replacements die similarly in exceptionally short lifetimes … unacceptable.

All standard desktop machines - light use …
… no thrashing in a server database environment or HDD destructive testing environments …


#20

[QUOTE=debro;2579147]

But if you want accurate figures and statistics for model numbers … perhaps you can ask the marketting department of the relevant manufacturer for their figures on breakdowns, and their level of support for warranties :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

That just misses the point…but oh well…

[QUOTE=debro;2579147]Of course … for brand new HDD’s, short of installing them into a PC, beginning a slipstreamed installation of an OS, and then hauling the PC & UPS off a cliff … unacceptable. And then having replacements die similarly in exceptionally short lifetimes … unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

That’s what RMA is for and then have the same results one would switch to another HDD. One is not tied to one particular HDD or HDD manufacture.