Well, My 9th PX-716A just went South on me

After many years of buying Plextor products, the King of Quality, I was unfortunate enough to buy a PX-716A. I’ve either taken back or RMA’s 9 of these drives now. My last one I RMA’d and got one back with TLA#0000. I hardly used it since. It seemed OK, but the last 2 or 3 days, when I boot up, It shows itself in the bios as some Spanish name and isn’t recognized in the OS. It goes in and out. I put my Pioneer on the same cable it no problems. Needless to say, I’ve had it forever with Plextor! I don’t care if they start producing Saintly Drives. It’s a shame that a company like that would make the business decision to have their drives made in China. I’m not the only one who has had problems with this drive. If you have a good one, consider yourself very fortunate, but this drive has proven a disaster for me.

That’s the way it is … They give a Vietnamese woman a few cents and sell the Adidas for a few hundred dollars – Made in Germany, of course. The same people have children in India dig for coal and close the mines down over here because of the low prices. Why not shovel in the extra bucks for the Chinese Plex drives? We would do so either.

after 9? its probobly your PSU man. or some other hardware… my first and only 716A works perfect. never once had a problem. my pc is pretty rigged tho. what are you system specs?

Got one of the best power supplies made. No other problems ever with any other hardware. I have 3 DVD Drives and 4 internal hard drives: 2 external. This is the only piece of equipment that I’ve had problems with. I’ve been building computers for about 15 years. I think I should have learned a little by now . . . :slight_smile: I’ve had many DVD burners in my rig. 2 of my other DVD burners were Plextor 708A and 712A: good burners - still. The 716A’s have been problematic for quite a few people. Read the forum here.

Mark

i have been reading the forum. how do you think i read ur post? anyways i built a ton of computers too, and sometimes hardware just dont like each other…

@MarkA
I’m sure those other Plextors you have were made in China too, so it’s not an issue of country of origin.

Which is why I’ve stayed away from buying anymore Plextor dvd burners…too many RMA’s & problems from the posts that I have read in the last year…The only Plextor dvd burner I still use from time to time is the Plextor 708A…it works wonders when I have a scratched disc…it’s the only drive that’s able to read scratched discs… :wink:

I’m just curious why you stuck with Plextor after your 3rd RMA. I thought most people would get a clue by then.

I’d agree with what [I]WE-DeusEx*2001[/I] said. We had one other case reported in this forum where someone went throught 8 drives. In both cases i’d say it’s impossible to get so many bad drives in a row. If that was universal Plextor would be in deep trouble but obviously they aren’t.

However it seems that Plextor drives don’t seem to like certain setups (i’ve seen similar issues with other drives too). Unfortunately it’s impossible to diagnose the exact cause in a forum like this. One would have to sit in front of the actual hardware and take it apart bit by bit to make a diagnosis. It’s probably more economical to simply use another brand and give Plextor another try when you buy your next box.

Edit: As for the PSU, yes it may be a good one, but are you putting it to correct use, respectively is there truly nothing in your system that influences it in a bad way?

I have had 3 units i had TLA 0000 and with all bad press 0000 got i decided to RMA it i got 0101 then it started making odd noise after 3 months so I rma it again got 0202 and now have that one on fw 1.10 I have never got really great 16x burn +R or -R out of any 716a. i have had it! they do ok at 8x and 4x and rarely at 12x. please see this post i just did showing a prodisc R05 16x burn

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1528681&postcount=2

And you are sure this is the drive’s problem? … the drive’s ID string shown in the BIOS during bootup is located in the drive’s very own firmware. I’d find it quite interesting if Plextor DVD burners could be used as translation devices or even would alter their firmware itself without outer influence.

I operate a PX-716A TLA0102 for over a year now without any problems … of course, I stay away from ‘crap’ media (crap for Plextor drives, that is - so I end up with MCC or Taiyo Yuden mostly) and generally don’t burn DVD’s faster than 8x anyway on any drive for quality reasons.

Thanks for the replies. I’ve used Plextor drives since the early 90s and have sworn by them. I’m really sorry that I"ve had the bad experiences with the PX-716A’s. The reason I bought so many of these drives is because I was really wanting to get a good one and save Plextor’s reputation in my own eyes. I use top of the line media that I’ve learned to use from this furum. It’s just strange that this particular model has given me so many problems. The drive just seems to wear out early for some reason. If my other drives did the same, I’d say it’s a computer problem, of course, but it just doesn’t seem to be that. Right now I have these drives in my possession: PX-716A, BenQ 1620, BenQ 1640, BenQ DQ 60, NEC 3500, Pioneer 111L, GSA-H10L, and PX-712A. See, I do learn from here! I don’t even do any heavy-duty burning. Just mainly scanning and testing. I’m happy for anyone who has gotten a good PX-716A but I’ve had bad experiences with this drive. As for China, I don’t think the quality control is there. Photos have been posted on this forum and others of shoddy workmanship. When I used to get a Plextor drive, I paid through the nose for it, but I had complete confidence in the product. Somewhere along the line they began to cut corners - maybe to compete. I don’t mind paying for quality: I do mind paying for junk. This is jut my two cents worth. By the way, my intention wasn’t to insult WE-DeusEx*2001 or anyone else. It is strange about the foriegn (to me) logo. :slight_smile:

Mark

I’m with you on that … I sometimes wonder what kind of weed they smoke when companies decide to go for cheap foreign labor in favor of properly-educated workers. If you want to compensate for cheap/non-educated labor with a sophisticated QC/QM system, your benefit of intended lower production costs is mostly equalized.

Well spoken, mate … :iagree:

you didnt :slight_smile: i was just making a suggestion

after one year and 7 months my 716 just died today.
i have power calibration errors on each burns i make with nero.

edit: with img burn there’s no problems !
seems strange

Labor is cheap because of China’s artifically low exchange rate. Please explain how China labor is non-educated if they are able to churn out these drives in the first place. Keep in mind China also makes Asus motherboards, high-end 1900/7900 ATi and Nvidia video cards, AMD, Intel are also made in China. If the Chinese are non-educated like you say so, how are they able to make such high-end sophisticated products? My BenQ 1640 is Made in China and it’s lasted longer than any of my Plextors, COMBINED

You just have to admit that Plextor quality has gone down the drain and don’t blame it on the country of origin. I bet if you look at the stuff your wearing and the things around your house 80% of it is Made in China.

Now, I wonder who’s uneducated and what kinda weed you been smoking?

Labor is also cheap because of general - in comparison with western countries - lower standards of living.

I wasn’t talking about chinese labor being non-educated in general … the PRC for sure has universities like any other nation in the world. But non-chinese companies who manufacture in the PRC (because of cheap labor) are generally not interested in highly-educated specialists (because they bring them in themselves for supervision purposes) but cheap workers (and cheap means really cheap - which also implies a lower standard of education) who do what they are being told without asking questions or being contraproductive by organizing themselves in trade unions etc.

That’s what globalization is all about … and it’s not a good thing IMO - neither for the companies’ origin country nor for the host country.

They assemble these so-called sophisticated products on (once being set up properly) fool-proof machines/production lines that are mostly imported and being operated (once again, by cheap labor that received a basic training) under the host companies’ strict supervision … that’s what QC is all about.

Please note that I am only referring to non-chinese companies that ‘abuse’ chinese low wages in favor of their own profits. I am not referring to chinese companies that produce themselves.

If you knew about my experience with older and newer Plextor drives (and I have owned quite a lot including 3 CDRW, 2 CDROM, 4 DVDRW), you would see that I cannot admit anything of that kind because I never ever experienced any of the hardware-related problems being described in the various Plextor-bashing-threads. But you must admit that, at the time Plextor produced in Japan only, people were less pi**ed with their drives.

True … and I see my country’s economy go down the drain over that.

Don’t get me wrong … I don’t want to diss chinese people (quite the contrary). I am well aware of the fact that china had a high-culture at the time most other peoples have still been eating tree roots … I was just rather thinking loud about the current stituation with globalization and such …

Allow me to also add that I spent 15 months in Taiwan when I was in the Air Force. I’m really fond of the Chinese people. When I was there you could buy anything your heart desired for a really cheap price. The Chinese people are brilliant people, they can make anything, but the thing I saw was that the bottom line was the bottom line: quality wasn’t paramount. Japan used to do the same thing, but when they began to focus on quality, everybody wanted “Made in Japan”. When you turn your focus away from quality, your demise is coming as an individual or a company, or a country, as far as that goes. American used to be tops in quality but we lost our edge. I was told that what a person did was a signature of who they were. I try to do what I do to the very best of my ability. I just hate compramise in this area. If a company focuses on quality people will be beating down their doors for their products. As I said, I don’t have any problem paying for quality, but when I pay a quality or premium price for something and don’t get it, I’m highly displeased, to say the least. Even with the lower standards, Plextor still commands a premium over most other drives, but not from me ever again.

Mark

No, wages are the same and probably more than western countries if you do not factor in the exchange rate. When you factor in the exhcange rate the average Chinese worker makes $150USD a month, looking at it that way, of course labor is inexpensive.

Lets look at EUROS. The current exchange rate of $100RMB is equivalent to $9.83 Euros. Then imagine if you only had to pay the worker $8.50RMB an hour = 0.83EUR an hour. Is that cheap? Yeah.

Please note that I am only referring to non-chinese companies that ‘abuse’ chinese low wages in favor of their own profits. I am not referring to chinese companies that produce themselves.

The Chinese do not make low wages and their quite happy with what they make compared to the US. There’s all this legislation going on now saying that the minimum wage should be $10USD. That’s just going to force more companies to out source because US labor is so fricken expensive.

If you knew about my experience with older and newer Plextor drives (and I have owned quite a lot including 3 CDRW, 2 CDROM, 4 DVDRW)

The past is called history, what matters is the present and the future and at present, Plextor’s quality is becoming history.

True … and I see my country’s economy go down the drain over that.

Same with my country, but the world is changing and we must change with it. It’s survival of the fittest and in my country where obesity rate is 80% of the entire population I don’t see the US moving anywhere soon.

Don’t get me wrong … I don’t want to diss chinese people (quite the contrary). I am well aware of the fact that china had a high-culture at the time most other peoples have still been eating tree roots … I was just rather thinking loud about the current stituation with globalization and such …

No point taken, I despise a majority of Chinese made products myself, but the thing with Chinese made products is you have to know your goods very well inorder to know which one is good and which one’s a dud. Just like how we know not to judge our blank media by the brand but by the media code. With major appliances, some will tell you which factory in China it came out of, some factories are better than others. We just have to know which factory pumps out the quality stuff just like how we know MCC/MKM and Yuden pump out quality discs.

Have the PX-716A, FW 1.10, TLA#0203, working perfect

This was burned with the PX-716A, ImgBurn @ 16X
MCC 04, Verbatim 16X, made in China