VHS to DVD & NeroVision 4 problems

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#1

My apologies for a lengthy message.

I wish to convert my VHS tapes to DVD. Unfortunately trying to use a Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (26xxx). [aka WinTV-PVR-150] directly with Nero Vision does NOT work; vision is OK but sound stops after about 30 seconds.

I can capture in a DVD format [MPEG-2: 12.0 MB/sec (CBR)] using the WinTV v.6.0 application BUT this is not the same as the DVD format used by Nero and therefore has to be fully transcoded as opposed to using SmartEncoding if captured using Nero.

In theory I can use my Sony TRV355E for “Signal Conversion” from Analog VHS tape to a Digital format……BUT!

I am able to setup my camcorder OK to take the VHS picture from the VHS tape in the VHS player and pass it to my computer using firewire and it shows/plays correctly with sound in the small screen showing NeroVision [capture video] in NeroVision 4.

There HAS to be a tape in the camcorder for the system to operate.

Unfortunately as soon as I click the “RECORD” button below the screen the tape in the camcorder starts running and THIS is what I then record.

I do have a work around by using a two step process:

  1. Record the VHS player output to Digital8 tape.
  2. Play the recently recorded tape on the camcorder and capture in Nero 4.

I do not know if I am suffering any degradation during this process?

Can anyone offer a solution to the two step process?

NEXT Problem.

Having successfully the above “data” in DVD format [NZholiday85a.mpg - 4.86 GB (5,223,378,944 bytes)] I then set about editing it. I did a scene detection and ended up with 272 scenes [I usually “shoot” in 5 to 10 second bursts].

I then did some heavy editing [including taking out ALL “noisy” frames – the sort of thing that occurs when the camera switched on and off – sometimes only two or three frames long] and used a large number of CROSSFADE transitions. I also added 2 “Text effects” – “Credits” at 0.4 sec from beginning (10 secs) and (10secs) finishing at 2.6 secs before the end The final project having the following characteristics:-

Total space used: 3.71 out of 4.38 GB (Quality: Excellent)

The edited project played perfectly in the Preview Pane – as it also did in the edit screen.

I then proceeded to BURN “To Image Recorder” with the following parameters:

Audio format: Automatic
Sample format: Automatic
Encoding mode: High Quality (2-Pass VBR)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1

  1. Bay of Islands Cruise (Video Title, 1h 06m 15s, 2 chapters)
  • Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 84.3 %
  • Video SmartEncoding ratio: 79.9 %

Number of menus: 1

  • Menu for Bay of Islands Cruise (1 page)

It has taken a day to finally get a complete burn to Image Recorder as there were innumerable “lock ups” as I tried time and again for a result.

For what it is worth, I always have the Windows Task Manager running when using Nero Vision 4 as it is the only way to close down after a “lock up”. The END PROGRAM dialog always says “This program is not responding. Etc. etc….” and I have to do an END NOW. I then re-open Nero Vision, re-load the project and start again! Usually I eventually get a result.

Today my result was the LAST straw! When I played the so called successful burn I found that the sound had ceased immediately after the second scene [37 seconds from the beginning].

I have even tried EXPORT [to a .mpg file] and get the same result.

I am attaching the beginning and end of the LOG file for the successful burn to the Image Recorder.

[11:31:27] NeroVision Log created (Date: 02/05/2008)
[11:31:27] NeroVision Processors: 2 (Intel)
[11:31:27] NeroVision OS: Windows XP Professional Edition (Mediacenter)
[11:31:27] GCCore Detected DirectX Version 9 or higher
[11:31:28] ExpressUI Running Nero Vision Version: 4.9.7.6
[11:31:28] GCCore Detected DirectX Version: 9.0c
[11:31:30] AMCDocBase Nero3D interface version is 300
[11:31:53] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[11:31:53] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.9.1.12, File Version: 4.9.1.12, Interface Version: 4.10.0.1
[11:31:53] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[11:31:53] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.9.1.12, File Version: 4.9.1.12, Interface Version: 4.10.0.1
[11:31:53] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[11:31:53] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.9.1.12, File Version: 4.9.1.12, Interface Version: 4.10.0.1
[11:31:53] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[11:31:53] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[11:31:53] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[11:31:53] DVDEngine …Application service registered…
[11:31:53] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[11:31:53] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[11:31:53] DVDEngine …Application service registered…
[11:31:53] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[11:32:24] NeroVision Estimate Size
[11:32:24] NeroVision ±------±-----±-------±---------±--------
[11:32:24] NeroVision |Stream | Seg. | UnComp.| Duration | Size (KB)
[11:32:24] NeroVision ±------±-----±-------±---------±--------
[11:32:24] NeroVision | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.04 | 224
[11:32:24] NeroVision | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.04 | 0
[11:32:24] NeroVision ±------±-----±-------±---------±--------
[11:32:24] NeroVision total data size : 458753 bytes
[11:32:24] NeroVision multiplexed size : 475136 bytes
[11:32:24] NeroVision Estimate Size
[11:32:24] NeroVision ±------±-----±-------±---------±--------
[11:32:24] NeroVision |Stream | Seg. | UnComp.| Duration | Size (KB)
[11:32:24] NeroVision ±------±-----±-------±---------±--------
[11:32:25] NeroVision | 0 | 0 | 1 | 10.60 | 10576
[11:32:25] NeroVision | 0 | 1 | 0 | 24.52 | 21134
[11:32:25] NeroVision | 0 | 2 | 1 | 4.40 | 4521
[11:32:25] NeroVision | 0 | 3 | 0 | 15.52 | 13771

==========SNIP=============

[Image Recorder]
[11:59:21] NeroVision --------------------------------------------------------------
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:50:30 AM #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
[11:59:21] NeroVision Prepare [Image Recorder] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
[11:59:21] NeroVision DAO infos:
[11:59:21] NeroVision ==========
[11:59:21] NeroVision MCN: “”
[11:59:21] NeroVision TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
[11:59:21] NeroVision Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
[11:59:21] NeroVision 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 3651665920, ISRC “”
[11:59:21] NeroVision DAO layout:
[11:59:21] NeroVision ===========
[11:59:21] NeroVision __Start|___Track|Idx|CtrlAdr|Size|NWA|RecDep
[11:59:21] NeroVision 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
[11:59:21] NeroVision 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
[11:59:21] NeroVision 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 1783040 | 0 | 0x00
[11:59:21] NeroVision 1783040 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:50:30 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4294
[11:59:21] NeroVision Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-No, small files-Yes (<32KB)
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:50:30 AM #11 Phase 65 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 285
[11:59:21] NeroVision Burn process started
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:50:30 AM #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2721
[11:59:21] NeroVision Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:50:30 AM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 269
[11:59:21] NeroVision Pipe memory size 590400
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:59:18 AM #14 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
[11:59:21] NeroVision <Image Recorder> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1783040 (1B3500h), length 0 blocks
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision 11:59:19 AM #15 Phase 66 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 285
[11:59:21] NeroVision Burn process completed successfully
[11:59:21] NeroVision
[11:59:21] NeroVision Existing drivers:
[11:59:21] NeroVision Registry Keys:
[11:59:21] NeroVision HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

Can ANYONE please help with this problem?

Thanks.

PS: Frankly I am beginning to loose faith [AGAIN] in Nero in spite of having persevered with it for several years.:a

My system:

Hardware Information

CPU : Intel® Pentium® D CPU 3.20GHz
Bus Type : PCI Bus
Motherboard : Dell Inc. 0HJ054
s
: Dell Inc. Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A05
Memory : 2048 MB
: <SigmaTel Audio
: RADEON X600 256MB HyperMemory

System Information

AllocateCdRoms : 0
Operating System : Windows XP Professional (5.01.2600 Service Pack 2)
Country : Australia
Language : English
ANSI Code Page : 1252
OEM Code Page : 850
DirectX : DirectX 9.0c
Internet Explorer : 7.0.5730.11 (Build 75730)

Drive Information

Drive : Optiarc DVD±RW ND-3570A
Type : DVD±R/RW DL Recorder
Firmware Version : 104B
Buffer Size : 2 MB


#2

NeroVision 4 Follow-up.

Further to my previous post I have now just “processed” a second capture [NZholiday85b.mpg - 3.98 GB (4,277,297,152 bytes) made just after the “NZholiday85a.mpg” mentioned previously.

In this instance I started a DVD-Video Project – Imported NZholiday85b.mpg – Did NO editing at all – and then proceeded to BURN “To Image Recorder” with the following parameters:

Audio format: Automatic
Sample format: Automatic
Encoding mode: High Quality (2-Pass VBR)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1

  1. NZholiday85b (Video Title, 1h 14m 59s)
  • Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
  • Video SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %

Number of menus: 1

  • Main menu (1 page)

[B]NOTE - 100% SmartEncoding for both Audio & Video!![/B]

It worked 100% with no problems. I then followed up with a Burn to Optiarc DVD±RW ND-3570A which also went off without a hitch.

The problem must lie in the “editing” process. I suspect that it is the “transitions” and the subsequent necessary transcoding.

Is that the correct term? [Encoding/transcoding/recoding/decoding]

More thoughts please?

Thanks….


#3

Progressive work on VHS tape captured via Digital8 conversion.

[B][U]Step 1. Conversion.[/U][/B]
I could NOT capture using my Sony TRV355E for “Signal Conversion” from Analog VHS tape to a Digital format but I found a work around using a two step process:

Record the VHS player output to Digital8 tape.
Play the recently recorded tape on the camcorder and capture in Nero 4.
This resulted in the following captured file in DVD format:
NZholiday85a.mpg - 4.86 GB (5,223,378,944 bytes)
[B]
[U]Step 2. First EDIT and BURN.[/B][/U]
I chose MAKE DVD – DVD-Video and then ADD Video Files and added the above NZholiday85a.mpg. This file would have produced a 1h 31m 41s DVD which would have to be Coded at “VERY GOOD” Quality if it was to fit. As I wish for the highest quality I then proceeded as follows:

EDIT(ed) MOVIE and shortened TITLE to 1h 14m 04s by removing the last 17 minutes resulting in “Total space used: 3.98 out of 4.38 GB (Quality Excellent)”. Please note that this title still contained ALL the “video noise” bits of blank tape etc. that were present on the original VHS tape.
I then did first BURN to Image Recorder in following DETAILS:

Audio format: Automatic
Sample format: Automatic
Encoding mode: High Quality (2-Pass VBR)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1

  1. NZholiday85a (Video Title, 1h 14m 04s)
  • Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
  • Video SmartEncoding ratio: 99.9 %

Number of menus: 1

  • Main menu (1 page)

    This worked perfectly and I then did a “BURN AGAIN” to Optiarc DVD±RW ND-3570A which also went off without a hitch. The resultant DVD played on my stand alone DVD player through my HD TV, warts and all, without a problem.

[B][U]Step 3. Coarse EDIT and BURN.[/U][/B]
The object of this phase was to remove any extended noise and blank areas that were present. I rapidly scanned the title in the EDIT Pane by dragging the Position Marker along the TIMELINE to identify BLANK areas. When these were found I established a “clean” beginning point and executed a SPLIT ITEM. I then stepped through the “corrupt” section in 1 second increments until I found the next “clean” end point and again executed a SPLIT ITEM. I then selected this “corrupt” [or if you like, noisy] scene and DELETEd it. I found and deleted “noise” as follows:

4.52s at the beginning – blank caused by delay in capture.
From	15m 17s	to	15m 20s – 4secs
From	16m 55s	to	17m 00s – 5secs
	24m 04s		24m 07s – 3secs
	26m 13s		26m 19s – 6secs
	29m 23s		29m 27s – 4secs
	32m 27s		32m 31s – 4secs
	36m 44s		36m 49s – 5secs
	38m 11s		38m 15s – 4secs
	39m 01s		39m 03s – 2secs
	43m 59s		44m 02s – 3secs

This then left me with 11 “scenes” [or sections] the shortest being 47 secs long and the longest, at the end, of 30m 03s.
I then did first BURN to Image Recorder in following DETAILS:

Audio format: Automatic
Sample format: Automatic
Encoding mode: High Quality (2-Pass VBR)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1

  1. NZholiday85a (Video Title, 1h 13m 21s)
  • Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
  • Video SmartEncoding ratio: 98.8 %

Number of menus: 1

  • Main menu (1 page)

Note that there is only a minor chance in Video Title length and Video SmartEncoding ratio.

During the encoding phase I noted that the “SmartEncoding” LOGO was on for most of the time and, as best I could remember, only went “off” at the transition from scene/section to scene/section. Also at this time the CPU useage as monitored by Windows Taskmaster rose to about 95% from the normal 40 to 60% when SmartEncoding was in operation.

This worked perfectly and I then did a “BURN AGAIN” to Optiarc DVD±RW ND-3570A which also went off without a hitch. Again the resultant DVD played on my stand alone DVD player through my HD TV without a problem but I did note that, in my rapid scan, I had missed a number of noisy areas.

[B][U]Step 4. Remove ALL Transitions from Earlier “Troublesome” Production.[/U][/B]
At this stage I decided that the problem may lie in the application of TRANSITIONS so I re-OPENed SAVED PROJECT “BayOfIslands85.nvc” and then EDITed my production to DELETE ALL TRANSITIONS. Without making any other changes I then chose to BURN TO IMAGE RECORDER with the following Details:

Audio format: Automatic
Sample format: Automatic
Encoding mode: High Quality (2-Pass VBR)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1

  1. Bay of Islands Cruise (Video Title, 1h 09m 34s, 2 chapters)
  • Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 92.6 %
  • Video SmartEncoding ratio: 81.2 %

Number of menus: 1

  • Menu for Bay of Islands Cruise (1 page)

The first attempt failed about half way through. However there was a thunder storm in progress and I also lost ADSL connection. Tried again several times but the same result BUT not in the same place during the coding process.

Here is the significant part of the last ERROR Log:

[14:12:57] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[14:13:00] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[14:13:01] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[B][I][14:13:01] DVDEngine SEH EXCEPTION (0xC0000005: ACCESS_VIOLATION) was raised in NEEM2V.DLL at RVA 0x0003D30F.[/I][/B]
[14:13:01] DVDEngine ********END: VTSTT_VOBS#1 - Process Create
[14:13:02] DVDEngine ******END: Create - VTSTT_VOBS#1
[14:13:02] DVDEngine ****END: _DVDVideo - Create
[14:13:02] DVDEngine **END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - CreateVOBs
[14:13:02] DVDEngine **BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[14:13:02] DVDEngine **END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[14:13:02] NeroVision Process information:
[14:13:02] NeroVision --------------------
[14:13:02] NeroVision Address Version Module name
[14:13:02] NeroVision -----------------------------------------------------
[14:13:02] NeroVision 0x00340000 4.9.7.6 C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\GCCore.dll
[14:13:02] NeroVision 0x003D0000 4.9.7.6 C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\AMCDOM.dll
[14:13:02] NeroVision 0x003E0000 4.9.7.6 C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\GDIPainter.dll

Tried again but still no go; here is the next error log:

[14:51:58] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[14:52:01] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[14:52:02] MMTools SourceBuilder: building cached j:\VHSdumps\NZholiday85a.mpg video/0
[B][14:52:02] DVDEngine SEH EXCEPTION (0xC0000005: ACCESS_VIOLATION) was raised in NEEM2V.DLL at RVA 0x0003D30F.[/B]
[14:52:02] DVDEngine ********END: VTSTT_VOBS#1 - Process Create
[14:52:02] DVDEngine ******END: Create - VTSTT_VOBS#1
[14:52:02] DVDEngine ****END: _DVDVideo – Create
[14:52:02] DVDEngine **END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - CreateVOBs
[14:52:02] DVDEngine **BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[14:52:02] DVDEngine **END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[14:52:02] NeroVision Process information:
[14:52:02] NeroVision --------------------
[14:52:02] NeroVision Address Version Module name
[14:52:02] NeroVision -----------------------------------------------------
[14:52:02] NeroVision 0x00340000 4.9.7.6 C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\GCCore.dll
[14:52:02] NeroVision 0x003D0000 4.9.7.6 C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\AMCDOM.dll

I have looked up SEH EXCEPTION and NEEM2V.DLL on the web but am none the wiser – What could this mean and why??

I noted the scene showing at the time of the lockup and then reopened the project, went to the scene and found about 3 frames of bad noise at the end of the scene. I then removed this noise portion, saved and attempted another BURN to Image Recorder. To my amazement, this time the burn was SUCCESSFUL. A subsequent burn to the DVD burner failed when attempting to Erase the DVD-RW that I use for testing purposes.

I then accessed the image file and burnt that to the DVD-RW and this DVD played 100% OK.

I will now use the APPLY RANDOM TRANSITIONS to all Transition Fields and see what happens. No point in following that line of study as NeroVision4 crashed as I expected after only a couple of minutes.

I again DELETEd ALL TRANSITIONS, saved and burned again and all was well. For what it is worth the transcoding was completed in about 14 minutes.

It now appears that one MAJOR problem with NERO Vision4 is the application of TRANSITIONS. I suppose the questions NERO has to answer are:

A. Is there a MINIMUM time between transitions to allow the “system” to recover from heavy CPU use?
B. Is there a LIMIT on the number of scenes and/or transitions?
C. Can problems arise if the scene is short, say 5 seconds? I note that SAMPLE VIDEO is all 10 secs long and that all STILLS that I add are invariably 10 seconds as the default.
D. Can a TRANSITION be too short? I often use a 1 second transition to “soften” the shortening of an “interview” or scene that is too long and has to be trimmed in the middle.

That will do for now. I will now see what and where I can use transitions. More later….but in the meantime I would appreciate comments/advice.

Thanks


#4

That’s a lot of info to digest. Let me tell you how I do it with my Hauppauge USB2 PVR.

  1. Capture using WinTV Standard DVD Profile.
  2. Demux and ‘fix’ the saved MPEG using PVA Strumento
  3. Author in GUI for DVD Author. Here you can set chapters and make menus. I author to ISO.
  4. Burn with ImgBurn.
    All of the above are free programs and work well.
    If you wanted to edit you could do step 1.5 and use one of the Womble products. They edit MPEG (optionally adding effects and or titles) re-encoding only what they have to. I’ve tried their demo versions at one time or another and Womble works.

#5

[QUOTE=olyteddy;1995354]
2) Demux and ‘fix’ the saved MPEG using PVA Strumento [UNQUOTE]

Thanks for your help. Sorry to be so thick :frowning: but that seems to give me two files having split the audio from the video [as does the “make PS” process].

Is there a way of combining back again as I would hate to try and edt two files simultaneously.

Just had a thought - suppose I could use NERO and put the audio on the audio track below the video and then produce a MPEG “movie” to recreate the original file. Will give it a try.

Mike.


#6

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#7

Demuxing does indeed produce separate audio and video files. Some (most?) DVD authoring programs prefer separate vid and audio. I know DVD Author does. That’s why editing would be step 1.5. (edit before demux)


#8

Thanks. Tried the NV4 and produced (EXPORT) a .mpg movie file which looked and played OK. This would provide a unified file for simultaneous editing of the video+audio but it was not recognised for SmartEncoding and therefore would have needed a full encoode which I am trying to avoid by using NV4 to capture the tape.

Thanks again; will let you know if I find a workaround.

Mike.


#9

[QUOTE=ozdroggy;1995772]Thanks. Tried the NV4 and produced (EXPORT) a .mpg movie file = = = = but it was not recognised for SmartEncoding [/QUOTE]

Ooops! Took a big punt and substituted that file for the original and it WAS recognised:(

Still required a number of “tries” to eventually get the file encoded but it has worked.