Verbatim MCC 03RG20 beaten by RITEK F16?

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#1

What the heck is going on here? :eek:

Memorex RITEK F16 Scanned @ 5x burnt @ 8x

Verbatim MCC 03RG20 Scanned @ 5x burnt @ 12x, slower is not much better

Faster is worse, by far… I get high PIF’s on the end of all my Verbatim discs… Memorex the PIF’s stay reasonable, but if I burn fast I have consistently high PIE throughout the disc.
To me this indicates better performance from Memorex than Verbatim :frowning:

Burning all with a Optiarc AD-7201A


#2

Occasionally you can get a bad batch of discs from Verbatim. How many did you burn? Where were they made, MIS are better than MII generally. Personally, I wouldn’t use Ritek if you gave them to me. Even the decent burn you show it nothing to write mama about. I would call it mediocre with 3800 PIF. But then I only buy TYs so I’m spoiled.


#3

I’ve burnt about 10 of the verbatim and 30 of the Memorex… I don’t have a clue as to manufacturer. As far as the Memorex goes… My previous LG GSA 4163B A106 failed on me, well after warranty… so i had to get my Optiarc. Anyways, the LG would never read a disc, especially Memorex, after burning it, always thought it was a blank, but if i used other players it was fine, like my laptop. Finally it got so bad it wouldn’t even recognize them to burn! Plus it was severely speed limited (while I was using Nero). It could only ever stand Sony. Thank God i got imgburn now. Lightning ftw :bow:

So now i have my LG sitting in the bay doing nothing… to burn anything with it is a crapshoot in the dark… CD burning/reading is fine though.


#4

[QUOTE=ricoman;2507295]Occasionally you can get a bad batch of discs from Verbatim. How many did you burn? Where were they made, MIS are better than MII generally. Personally, I wouldn’t use Ritek if you gave them to me. Even the decent burn you show it nothing to write mama about. I would call it mediocre with 3800 PIF. But then I only buy TYs so I’m spoiled.[/QUOTE][B]monkeyshiner[/B], could you change the settings in Settings - [Advanced] so the NEC scans 1ECC instead of 8ECC? That will make the scans more comparable to LiteOn/Samsung/Plextor scans. :slight_smile:

Verbatim single layer DVD media is not produced in Singapore anymore. The Made in UAE Verbies have a good reputation, but whether it is MIT, MII or MIUAE, usually they are supposed to be very good.
As an alternative, you might also try some Taiyo Yuden DVD media… also good media.


#5

[QUOTE=kg_evilboy;2507326]
Verbatim single layer DVD media is not produced in Singapore anymore. The Made in UAE Verbies have a good reputation, but whether it is MIT, MII or MIUAE, usually they are supposed to be very good.
As an alternative, you might also try some Taiyo Yuden DVD media… also good media.[/QUOTE]

Generally, I only buy the [B][I]DL[/I][/B] Verbs, still MIS. I ALWAYS buy TY 8x +R media, to me (and many others) the best DVD media ever made.


#6

General Information
Drive: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7201A
Firmware: 1.05
Disc: DVD-R (MCC 03RG20 )
Selected speed: 5 X
PI Errors
Maximum: 262
Average: 37.14
Total: 663376
PI failures
Maximum: 15
Average: 0.04
Total: 6426
PO failures: -
Jitter: -
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 16:03
Number of samples: 140757
Average scanning interval: 1.02 ECC
Glitches removed: 1

5x scan, 20x burn, 1 ECC scan.

Code on inner ring of DVD is ZE2759-DVR-J47F4
Code on clear plastic mounting insert is MAP687NC292215
or I5
Manufacturer is Mitsubishi Chemical Corp according to DVD Identifier.

I’m thinking about switching to Falcon if I can find some of the stuff.

8x scan, 16x burn. 8 ECC I should be able to burn this 16x rated media at 16x, correct? I feel comfortable in saying this batch of Verbatims is bin, not fit for crapping on.


#7

@ monkeyshiner: could you do a Transfer Rate Test and post a result here?


#8

It seems I’m not the only one who has been getting bad batches from Verbatim lately… see the other threads in this forum.

[18:53:42] Drive: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7201A 1.05
[18:53:42] Disc: DVD-R, 4.36 GB, MCC 03RG20
[18:54:28] Starting transfer rate test
[18:59:26] Speed:7-13 X CAV (12.01 X average)
[18:59:26] Elapsed Time: 4:58
[18:59:26] Starting access times test
[18:59:39] Random Access: 127 ms
[18:59:54] 1/3 Access: 151 ms
[19:00:22] Random Access: 278 ms
[19:00:22] Elapsed Time: 0:56
[19:00:22] Starting CPU usage test
[19:00:38] CPU usage at 1X: 15 %
[19:00:53] CPU usage at 2X: 16 %
[19:01:09] CPU usage at 4X: 28 %
[19:01:25] CPU usage at 8X: 54 %
[19:01:25] Elapsed Time: 1:03
[19:01:25] Starting burst rate test
[19:01:27] Interface burst rate: 23 MB/s (23824 KB/s)
[19:01:27] Elapsed Time: 0:02
[19:01:27] Starting spin-up/down test
[19:01:33] Spin-up time: 2.50 seconds
[19:01:46] Spin-down time: 3.36 seconds
[19:01:46] Elapsed Time: 0:19
[19:01:46] Starting load/eject test
[19:01:48] Eject time: 1.32 seconds
[19:01:49] Load time: 1.83 seconds
[19:01:59] Recognition time: 9.57 seconds
[19:01:59] Elapsed Time: 0:13

TRT screenshot

Yes this one was burnt at 20x, but this just goes to show that my drive is reading PIF’s correctly. Where there are high PIF’s on the scan, there is a bump in the TRT.


#9

[QUOTE=monkeyshiner;2507782]It seems I’m not the only one who has been getting bad batches from Verbatim lately… see the other threads in this forum.[/QUOTE]

Bad batches are always out there, regardless of media type. I’d hesitate to draw any conclusions, although I do agree that today’s media is a bit less consistent than it used to be.

Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim certainly aren’t immune - it’s just that with reputable media, the likelihood of getting something that works is much higher. Personally, I’ve used Verbatim for five years, and while some spindles were bad, the majority worked well on any player.


#10

Well specifically it’s MCC 03RG20 that’s having issues. A couple of the other threads people were getting lower quality scans (although still working) of MCC 03RG20, and some were coasters. So what I think I’m seeing here is part of a larger picture of Verbatim’s quality going downhill. Anybody else out there agree with me?

And what are the currently available Verb MID’s out there these days that are supposed to be good? I’ve heard a lot of good about MCC 004 and some India made ones.


#11

DVD+R 16X Mitsubishi Taiwan is good.


#12

General Information
Drive: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7201A
Firmware: 1.05
Disc: DVD-R (MCC 03RG20 )
Selected speed: 5 X
PI Errors
Maximum: 43
Average: 3.31
Total: 57122
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.00
Total: 556
PO failures: -
Jitter: -
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 15:41
Number of samples: 138207
Average scanning interval: 1.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0


This is off of a different spindle of course… very nice TRT and good PIF… PIE could do better though. PIE gets worse at higher burn speeds I think. What do you think of the quality?

Is there any way I can get Verbatim to replace the crappy spindle? Any suggestions for what to do with all these expensive ornaments?


#13

The quality is not bad. It would be better burn at 4X. Usually most of DVD+R quality more good than DVD-R.


#14

[QUOTE=monkeyshiner;2508093]
Is there any way I can get Verbatim to replace the crappy spindle? Any suggestions for what to do with all these expensive ornaments?[/QUOTE]

Verb won’t, but if you send the rest of the spindle back to whomever you bought it from, they usually will if they’re reputable. Email them first of course for an RMA.


#15

[QUOTE=rainydiary;2508099]The quality is not bad. It would be better burn at 4X. Usually most of DVD+R quality more good than DVD-R.[/QUOTE]The last scan looks nice, actually. :slight_smile:

Media that is rated for high speeds (16x) might actually perform worse when burned at 4x! :rolleyes:
=> http://club.myce.com/f33/slow-write-speeds-modern-drives-modern-media-no-good-247643/


#16

[QUOTE=monkeyshiner;2507782]It seems I’m not the only one who has been getting bad batches from Verbatim lately… see the other threads in this forum.

[18:53:42] Drive: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7201A 1.05
[18:53:42] Disc: DVD-R, 4.36 GB, MCC 03RG20
[18:54:28] Starting transfer rate test
[18:59:26] Speed:7-13 X CAV (12.01 X average)
[18:59:26] Elapsed Time: 4:58
[18:59:26] Starting access times test
[18:59:39] Random Access: 127 ms
[18:59:54] 1/3 Access: 151 ms
[19:00:22] Random Access: 278 ms
[19:00:22] Elapsed Time: 0:56
[19:00:22] Starting CPU usage test
[19:00:38] CPU usage at 1X: 15 %
[19:00:53] CPU usage at 2X: 16 %
[19:01:09] CPU usage at 4X: 28 %
[19:01:25] CPU usage at 8X: 54 %
[19:01:25] Elapsed Time: 1:03
[19:01:25] Starting burst rate test
[19:01:27] Interface burst rate: 23 MB/s (23824 KB/s)
[19:01:27] Elapsed Time: 0:02
[19:01:27] Starting spin-up/down test
[19:01:33] Spin-up time: 2.50 seconds
[19:01:46] Spin-down time: 3.36 seconds
[19:01:46] Elapsed Time: 0:19
[19:01:46] Starting load/eject test
[19:01:48] Eject time: 1.32 seconds
[19:01:49] Load time: 1.83 seconds
[19:01:59] Recognition time: 9.57 seconds
[19:01:59] Elapsed Time: 0:13

TRT screenshot

Yes this one was burnt at 20x, but this just goes to show that my drive is reading PIF’s correctly. Where there are high PIF’s on the scan, there is a bump in the TRT.[/QUOTE]
Anyone have any ideas why the burst rate is only 23mb?? Seems kinda low for a 20x burner.



#17

Your drive is sata the other is IDE so i dont thing that ide drives were ever close to the same brust rate as the sata ones. So 20/25mb might do the job.


#18

23 MB/s sounds more like USB 2.0.
Burst rate is usually about 40-50 MB with PATA drives.

See these reviews as an example
=> http://www.myce.com/review/Optiarc-AD-7173A-DVD-Writer-Preview-149/Reading-performance-3/
=> http://www.myce.com/review/Lite-On-LH-20A1P-Super-AllWrite-review-13260/Reading-Performance-3/

:iagree:


#19

[QUOTE=kg_evilboy;2508245]23 MB/s sounds more like USB 2.0.
Burst rate is usually about 40-50 MB with PATA drives.

See these reviews as an example
=> http://www.myce.com/review/Optiarc-AD-7173A-DVD-Writer-Preview-149/Reading-performance-3/
=> http://www.myce.com/review/Lite-On-LH-20A1P-Super-AllWrite-review-13260/Reading-Performance-3/

:iagree:[/QUOTE]

ok, i might be wrong.


#20

[QUOTE=vroom;2508239]Your drive is sata the other is IDE so i dont thing that ide drives were ever close to the same brust rate as the sata ones. So 20/25mb might do the job.[/QUOTE]
That occured to me after I posted.:wink: