Verbatim disks

durkinjt 2016-02-22 07:29:08 UTC #1

Word of caution, just bought a 50 pack of Verizon Blu-Rays disk's from Amazon. turned out to be CMCMAG-BA5-00. Not Amazons fault, they are labeled Verbatim, surprised at Verbatim never had that happen before. Luckily I have made three burns so far and not a coaster yet.

Oinker 2016-02-22 08:08:42 UTC #2

Verbatim BD-Rs are CMCMAGBA5 for quite some time, it seems VERBATIMe discs are sold via their "professional" line only.
Unfortunately the CMC discs seem to have a larger quality range, but the last 50 packs I got were as good as original Verbatim media - just 8 left of them. Hope it stays this way with the two 50 packs I just got. Will see about that.

durkinjt 2016-02-22 11:24:05 UTC #3

Thanks, just a little worried as they are not ranked as high as the other Verbatims I have been buying for years, under the Blank Media Ratings rated second class i.e not the worst or best.

Kerry56 2016-02-22 11:27:40 UTC #4

Does anyone have links to the "Professional" Verbatims with the real Verbatim MID codes?

I don't need any new blank discs, and may not for quite some time, but it might help to know this info. I can find the FTI/Falcon discs at several sites, including MediaMegaMall.

durkinjt 2016-02-22 16:30:54 UTC #5

Kerry, went directly to Verbatims site, price for 100 8X printable were $60. Amazon about $32 and always got the real thing, this time with the Blu-Rays I got caught, always bought 25 and they were real, this time the price was so good for the 50 I went for it.

Oinker 2016-02-24 13:07:10 UTC #6

I tried the newest 50 pack I just got, still looks pretty good IMO:
http://club.myce.com/f87/pioneer-bdr-208-s08xlt-208d-208m-208e-u-j-xj-2208-bdr-s08-s08j-xlb-329893/index26.html#post2768911

Two_Degrees 2016-02-28 06:50:30 UTC #7

DataLifePlus should always be MCC/MKM media:
http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-Single-Layer-Recordable-Printable/dp/B004477BQQ
http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/verbatim-bd-r-25gb-6x-datalife-plus-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-97339-50pk
http://www.meritline.com/verbatim-4x-blu-ray-datalifeplus-white-inkjet-printable---p-30268.aspx

If there is a Micro Center store in your area, they carry them as well.

beef_barley 2016-03-18 10:19:19 UTC #8

Just bought 100 of these at our local Staples for $41.93 Canadian, last +R spindle, left a pile of -Rs including Staples 50s @ $13. Back in the day could have picked up 2 x 50 Sony TYs made in Japan for less than what I paid. Honestly don't know why I have to have +Rs.

Verbatim AZO DVD+R 16X Made in Taiwan

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,295,104
Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: MCC-004-00
Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MCC-004-00
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120 mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MCC-004-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120 mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Performance (Write Speed):
Descriptor 1...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 5,540 KB/s (4x)
Descriptor 2...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 8,310 KB/s (6x)
Descriptor 3...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 11,080 KB/s (8x)
Descriptor 4...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 16,620 KB/s (12x)
Descriptor 5...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 22,160 KB/s (16x)
Descriptor 6...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 24,930 KB/s (18x)
Descriptor 7...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 2295103 (0x0023053F)
-> RS: 22,160 KB/s (16x) - WS: 27,700 KB/s (20x)

beef_barley 2016-04-02 17:48:40 UTC #9

Just looking around our London Drugs today and what do I see among a pile of DVD-Rs, 2 x 50 spindles of Verbatim, made in Taiwan. the kicker is that they were on sale for $11.99 Cdn, so it worked out for the 100 cheaper than the 100 I got at Staples.

durkinjt 2016-04-03 08:06:38 UTC #10

Just got an order from Amazon yesterday 50 16X Verbatim printables, $12.75 USA, for 50, bought 4. Legit. burned 4 so far got great quality tests also!

beef_barley 2016-04-13 15:31:22 UTC #11

For you folks in the United States, I just saw 50 pack spindles of Verbatim DVD-R.

Verbatim 4.7 GB up to 16x Branded Recordable Disc AZO DVD-R 50-Disc Spindle 95101 $10.80
http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-Branded-Recordable-50-Disc-95101/dp/B00081A2KY/ref=pd_bxgy_23_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0NM1SDBYGRZ2CDNH7XC8

DoctorM 2016-05-01 12:10:39 UTC #12

Could someone elaborate on this? I thought MCC/MKM is not what we want but VERBATIMe. Are all DLP the wrong ones, but the AZO's linked by beef barley above ARE the correct ones?

This thread got a bit muddled.

Albert 2016-05-01 13:37:01 UTC #13

MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp
MKM = Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
Verbatim = Verbatim Corp (unless it's changed)

They are one in the same, with MCC or MKM being attributed as the designer for different disc models (and sometimes manufacturer, when manufacturing is not outsourced to companies like CMC or FTI)...
...and Verbatim (or Mitsubishi, in some regions) being the consumer-facing brand name.

So if you're asking for genuine MKM/MCC media, it is the almost the same as asking for genuine Verbatim media, but more specific regarding the disc model: the in-house disc models.

For CD media, that meant an ATIP recognized as MKM or Verbatim.
For DVD media, that meant discs with an MID of the format MKM... or MCC..., never Verbatim...
For Blu-ray, they switched from using MCC/MKM to using VERBATIM_ for their MIDs.

So what you read is effectively shorthand to clarify what was actually desired: discs designed (and potentially manufactured) by MCC/MKM, which means the VERBATIM_ media code. This as opposed to JVC/TY or CMC disc models sold under the Verbatim brand (still genuine Verbatim media, but not Verbatim's in-house disc models).

DataLifePlus should be the consistent, high quality variant of Verbatim's/MKM's/MCC's own in-house disc models.

beef_barley 2016-05-01 20:11:48 UTC #14

Verbatim AZO DVD+R SL Made in Taiwan

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Verbatim DVD+R DL Made in Singapore

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: MKM-001-00
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x

beef_barley 2016-05-01 20:43:53 UTC #15

More.

Sony DVD+R SL Made in Japan

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,295,104
Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: YUDEN000-T02-00
Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x

Fujifilm DVD+R DL Made in Japan

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,160,512
Free Space: 8,520,728,576 bytes
Free Time: 924:35:37 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: RICOHJPN-D00-01
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

DoctorM 2016-05-02 10:19:24 UTC #16

Albert;2773595:

MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp
MKM = Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
Verbatim = Verbatim Corp (unless it's changed)

They are one in the same, with MCC or MKM being attributed as the designer for different disc models (and sometimes manufacturer, when manufacturing is not outsourced to companies like CMC or FTI)...
...and Verbatim (or Mitsubishi, in some regions) being the consumer-facing brand name.

So if you're asking for genuine MKM/MCC media, it is the almost the same as asking for genuine Verbatim media, but more specific regarding the disc model: the in-house disc models.

For CD media, that meant an ATIP recognized as MKM or Verbatim.
For DVD media, that meant discs with an MID of the format MKM... or MCC..., never Verbatim...
For Blu-ray, they switched from using MCC/MKM to using VERBATIM_ for their MIDs.

So what you read is effectively shorthand to clarify what was actually desired: discs designed (and potentially manufactured) by MCC/MKM, which means the VERBATIM_ media code. This as opposed to JVC/TY or CMC disc models sold under the Verbatim brand (still genuine Verbatim media, but not Verbatim's in-house disc models).

AZO discs should always be Verbatim's/MKM's/MCC's own in-house disc models, and DataLifePlus should be the consistent, high quality variant of AZO media.

Okay, a bit more clear. So how does one make sure they get true (in house) Verbatim/MKM/MCC discs? Is that when buying the DataLifePlus comes in or is it not necessary to get DataLifePlus? (I keep wanting to abbreviate that as DLP or DP+ which doesn't seem helpful.)

Albert 2016-05-02 12:11:06 UTC #17

1) I made a mistake in the very last line by mentioning AZO. I edited it in my my original reply [left it in the quoted reply so you can see the change].

2) If I'm reading right, I'm thinking DLP is the only way to guarantee in-house Verbatim media. You CAN get it in non-DLP packages, but you can also get CMCMAG BA5, so no guarantees there. I don't believe there's any other possible distinction.

On non-DLP media, if the packaging itself shows "MABL", then it would guarantee an in-house disc. However, there are listings which erroneously indicate MABL media, such that the actual package lacks the MABL label and ends up being CMC Magnetics discs. (Glancing at some of Amazon's listings confirms this).

If there's a way to know based off of the product number, I'm unaware of it.

DoctorM 2016-05-02 14:23:19 UTC #18

Thanks Albert. That's unfortunate, but apparently most people don't know the difference or care.

beef_barley 2016-05-02 20:27:07 UTC #19

I agree because I can't ever remember seeing the ID outside of the container. The wrapper will tell you where it is made and some other info, but that's it as far as I can remember anyway.

Sony DVD-R SL

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,297,888
Free Space: 4,706,074,624 bytes
Free Time: 510:40:38 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: SONY16D1
Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x

Made in I believe Malaysia.