Hmmm, thanks PC-GUY. I'll give that a try then. I've tried Mad Dog 2.FA, Liggy & Dee's various firmwares and some firmware from Quikee. Mike, what firmware did you use by chance since you said it was "older"? I'll also try that. I got about 90 of these things left after burning a bunch of coasters and am just starting to think they are Fake TY's from Dupsonic. Buuuuut, if I can get them working I sure would like to. Ahhhh, nevermind, Mike... see you are using Herrie's 2.17b firmware, I'll have to give that a shot as well.