The PRISM

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#1

New Goverment spying laws-are our rights being taken?


#2

This is just one out of many privacy and government corruption scandals here in the US. Finally, the press is starting to report the truth instead of covering up for politicians because they agree with them politically. The press here in the USA seems to only care about reporting the truth when events impact them directly. Otherwise, they sit around with their thumbs up their arses and let their favorite government officials screw over the rest of the population.

None of what is coming to light here surprises me. IMO, there is far more corruption and breaches of our constitutional rights that will/can be reported if the press finally decides to do their job and provide the truth to the masses like they are supposed to do.


#3

Old news… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqggW08BWO0&hd=1 (not really, but talk about right on!)

Uploaded on Mar 19, 2011

As I recall there used to be a multi country intelligence alliance to circumvent privacy laws where in (the map and countries involved are made up) It went something like this: we would monitor British communications, the Brits would listen in on France, France monitors Australia, Australia <- Canada and Canada the USA. Of course they all shared the data.

PS: Just a reminder, lest we forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UAeqVGP-GPM#t=32s


#5

A crime is a crime regardless of the perpetrator. A lie is a lie whether it’s overt or a lie of omission. That said let’s please try to stick to the technical aspects of the situation such as how does the government access the servers that Google, Facebook, Microsoft and the others claim to have not authorized access to. Backdoors? Hackers? Ninjas?


#6

I’m with you Teddy how does the goverment access these accounts,google and facebook and the others must be giving the goverment the ok to access these accounts ,so their letting our rights to be abused,people still have to fight for our amendment rights.


#7

[QUOTE=marloyd;2689636]are our rights being taken?[/QUOTE]
I thought you were a that enough old fart that you already knew that our rights are being taken away on a daily basis because of some future terror or security issue?

Nothing new here. Just data analysing. Go read 1984.


#8

[QUOTE=Mr. Belvedere;2689716]I thought you were a that enough old fart that you already knew that our rights are being taken away on a daily basis because of some future terror or security issue?

Nothing new here. Just data analysing. Go read 1984.[/QUOTE]

I was just trying to move this thread a little Mr. B I quess our rights are gone already ,not enough to get anybody fired up.Welcome to government internet.


#9

I was fired up but had a bucket of water thrown on me. :wink:


#10

well every one in the U.S. should be trying to save our rights that’s why everybody migrated to the U.S.,to become free from this kind of over ruling political advance.Our taxes went to develop a free internet were everybody can have access to knowledge. What good is it when your being watched 24-7 and then they can manipulate everything on the net,you learn only what they want you to know which is just about what public broadcast is now.


#11

[QUOTE=marloyd;2689724]well every one in the U.S. should be trying to save our rights that’s why everybody migrated to the U.S.,to become free from this kind of over ruling political advance.Our taxes went to develop a free internet were everybody can have access to knowledge. What good is it when your being watched 24-7 and then they can manipulate everything on the net,you learn only what they want you to know which is just about what public broadcast is now.[/QUOTE]

Also you want to lump into that is IP and patients…those are two other amendments that does no services to the general public but to make the rich richer…and back to Prism…for those calling this lack of freedom then you would want to consider moving to Russia or China and try to do the same freedom movements you can do here and see how far that gets one on state media and state media reports and see whom there holds real power. That is what is lost in this debate we or the mass have taken the “Bill of Rights” for granted and failed to see why or what what the premise behind it’s creation in the first place. And that when we start adding amendments without first asking what does it really solve and then only seeing the after effects which is to late to fix since it is a amendment now. So take it that you have Rights here that others around the world don’t get to have there so called Rights.


#12

The potential for abuse of this Prism dragnet, and other large scale data collection efforts, by the government is massive. Anyone that thinks otherwise only needs to look at the IRS scandal. If the government continues to erode our basic constitutional rights in the name of fighting terrorists, then the terrorists have already won.


#13

Yo-

No one - with even the most rudimentary knowledge of the Internet -should be surprised at the premise of PRISM - as the Internet is in and of itself a free and open form of communication worldwide!

The fact that the governments (yes the other countries around the world watch the Internet too) monitor the Internet for terrorists, drug dealers, Mafia, child pornographers, slave traders and such should not surprise anyone-eh!

That the aforementioned folks are so stupid as to use a wide open source such as this to promote/execute their agendas gives testimony to the governments monitoring.

If you really want to get upset about your United States government and the gross breech of individual rights - sit down for a few hours and read the Patriot Act (of which most of is still currently in effect).


#14

[QUOTE=marloyd;2689719]I was just trying to move this thread a little Mr. B I quess our rights are gone already ,not enough to get anybody fired up.Welcome to government internet.[/QUOTE]

We didn’t have rights in the first place. Not even in the dial-up BBS and Compuserve days. There are so much laws, that you are almost guarantueed to break even a little one. More incentive to get you arrested isn’t necessary. If they want you, they will get you. If you talk or publish any text on the internet it is even easier.

Privacy never existed in digital format. Everything is analysed. Your personal data may be safe in one database, but there are no laws prohibiting the mining of it and doing tricks with it.

I cannot pry into Mr. Marloyds files directly, but i can cross reference a million databases with all kinds of Mr. Marloyds and build a formula so that only you and your info will show up. Perfectly legal. Even MyCE does it.

PRISM is no different from Echelon or any other kind of data harvester. It just does the job even better, because the NSA has all the keys.

Want privacy? Don’t store your stuff on internet connected devices.

We have no rights and the people in charge are not here for our best interests. Two thousand years of proof should be enough for people to realise that.


#15

[QUOTE=Mr. Belvedere;2689735]We didn’t have rights in the first place. Not even in the dial-up and Compuserve days. There are so much laws, that you are amost guarantueed to break even a little one. More incentive to get you arrested isn’t necessary. If they want you, they will get you. If you talk or publish any text on the internet it is even easier.

Privacy never existed in digital format. Everything is analysed. Your personal data may be safe in one database, but there are no laws of mining it and doing tricks with it.

I cannot pry into Mr. Marloyds files directly, but i can cross reference a million databases with all kinds of Mr. Marloyds and build a formula so that only you and your info will show up. Perfectly legal. Even MyCE does it.

PRISM is no different from Echelon or any other kind of data harvester. It just does the job even better, because the NSA has all the keys.

Want privacy? Don’t store your stuff on internet connected devices.[/QUOTE]

Yo Mr B-

Well said-eh!! :clap: :bow: :clap: :bow:


#16

Good comments and you all are well on the mark the internet has always been a open agenda either from hackers and of the government spying on your information you have posted or written on the net,it’s mostly a open book so you should only state what you want everyone to know.It’s the idea that the government can control what is published as for information on the net.So how do you know what you find is true information .if they control google ,facebook,and the rest than they control the truth.


#17

I think what bothered me was the way the government did their information gathering without anybody knowing .
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/google-facebook-prism-surveillance-program


#18

How many people has the US government sent to prison for hacking into private email accounts? What makes the government any better than the people they prosecute when they are doing the very same thing on a massive scale? IMO, the government, any government, can’t be trusted with this much power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Some may think the government isn’t doing anything that harms them but eventually this information will be used by people that don’t care about the safeguards that supposedly exist. Look at all the safeguards the IRS has against targeting people based on political and religious beliefs. Did it work? The same thing can happen in ANY branch of government, in any country. The best way to keep power from being abused it to dole it out sparingly. The Prism program was kept a secret from the public and this in itself is an outrage, IMO. Things of this magnitude should be decided in the open so public opinion can be heard. If the public was informed and agreed to the program then it wouldn’t have impacted the effectiveness of it when implemented. Too many people in government think they are above the laws the rest of us has to abide by.


#19

[QUOTE=UTR;2689745]How many people has the US government sent to prison for hacking into private email accounts? What makes the government any better than the people they prosecute when they are doing the very same thing on a massive scale? IMO, the government, any government, can’t be trusted with this much power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Some may think the government isn’t doing anything that harms them but eventually this information will be used by people that don’t care about the safeguards that supposedly exist. Look at all the safeguards the IRS has against targeting people based on political and religious beliefs. Did it work? The same thing can happen in ANY branch of government, in any country. The best way to keep power from being abused it to dole it out sparingly. The Prism program was kept a secret from the public and this in itself is an outrage, IMO. Things of this magnitude should be decided in the open so public opinion can be heard. If the public was informed and agreed to the program then it wouldn’t have impacted the effectiveness of it when implemented. Too many people in government think they are above the laws the rest of us has to abide by.[/QUOTE]

Yo UTR-

Then you are going to have to prosecute about every government in the world-eh!!

Good luck!


#20

[QUOTE=marloyd;2689739]so you should only state what you want everyone to know.[/quote] You do not need to do that. Getting your word out is great and can be very rewarding. It can come with a price though. Each and every time someone publishes anything at all, it may be read and will be interpreted in more different ways that anybody can fathom.

I have posted threads that were the truth, but they stirred up emotions and got proud people angry. So it was in the best interest of the common good to get the threads removed.

There are also people that are not interested in the truth or logic. They only want their little cocoon of warm fuzzy happiness unscratched. People aren’t unique snowflakes and most have little needs.

I’m not telling you i have the truth. Each and everybody should find their own truth and keep asking questions for as long as they live. I’ve been wrong countless times. I just decided for myself one day to break as much of the cocoon as i possibly could.

It’s the idea that the government can control what is published as for information on the net.So how do you know what you find is true information .if they control google ,facebook,and the rest than they control the truth.
They don’t control the publications. They analyse the published contents and use it for their own good. All under the sake of protecting their herd. It still doens’t mean the published information is all true or not.

To put it into perspective: All companies have different interests. Making lots of money usually is pretty high up in their list of priorities. So they will tell you their truth. Their holy bible. And the herd will happily follow.

Google and Facebook are not here for your sake. They have great products that can help you with your (social) life, but it’s theirs for the taking. You put it there. They have free products, but there is a price.

Not really that different on how i use the internet actually.


#21

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2689747]Yo UTR-

Then you are going to have to prosecute about every government in the world-eh!!

Good luck![/QUOTE]

That was my point. We tolerate allowing governments to do things they send the rest of to prison for doing. :wink: