The Matrix, reloaded

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#1

Yesterday, the new Matrix movie (Reloaded) was first showed at cinemas all over the world. I guess quite some people went out to see it…

So, for those who’ve seen it… how do you feel about it?

I haven’s een it yet, but some of my colleaugues told me the movie was a little bit boring…


#2

i’ve heard ‘disappointing’ from the one person i’ve talked to.


#3

We’ll have to wait till the 21st to watch it around here :frowning:


#4

we already planned to watch it on may, 23rd, as there’s no school that friday: at 20 past two o’ clock we’ll be right there, in front of a big screen where (and this is the best part) we’ll see the matrix reloaded NO DUBBED!!! :cool: :cool:
i hate dubbings :Z


#5

The movie’s a bit long, but Stoner was quoted saying

Just came back from the theatre. Kick Ass! Neo is God… ok, superman.


#6

It was actually shown Wednesday night at quite a few theatres near me despite not opening til the 15th. I’m going to see it in a few hours.


#7

Well, I wasnt dissapointed about the fighting scenes, they were great. However the rest of the movie was kinda boring. I think the producers overestimated their audiences and put in too much vague philosophical stuff. I swear, if I hear “cause and effect” one more time I am going to hurl. :Z


#8

I’ll agree. The fighting scenes were pretty crazy, but besides that it was…meh. The flying thing was just so stupid, he even strikes the superman pose.


#9

I think the big fight scene with Agent Smith and Neo was a bit drawn out, it seemed almost like a test to see if they could do it not a scene in a movie, in the end the whole scene came out like a comedy instead of a dramatic fight scene.

The rest of the movie? Bad ass.


#10

Well, I thought it was awesome overall. It’s a great setup for revelations in november. I thought it struck a perfect harmony between action and story. Freeway scene = AMAZING.


#11

It’s The Matrix Revolutions…


#12

RIght… My bad!


#13

Originally posted by Bloodstar007
[B]I think the big fight scene with Agent Smith and Neo was a bit drawn out, it seemed almost like a test to see if they could do it not a scene in a movie, in the end the whole scene came out like a comedy instead of a dramatic fight scene.

The rest of the movie? Bad ass. [/B]

I’m just back from watching it . Bad ass indeed :slight_smile:


#14

someone pleaseee explain me what did the guy in the main room (after the keymaker dies) explains to Neo ??

movie was superrrrb , except for some parts that i didnt understand.


#15

I think he explained that the matrix program had run through many times before, this was the 6th time that Neo had reached that point and it was the 6th time he went to save Trinity, and that he would eventually return to the matrix and it would start all over again.


#16

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I’ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven’t answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Others? What others? How many? Answer me!”

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Five versions? Three? I’ve been lied too. This is bullshit.”

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly’s systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can’t control me! Fck you! I’m going to kill you! You can’t make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect’s room

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bullshit.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Bullshit!”

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo’s dream appear on the monitors

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you’re going to do, don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Neo walks to the door on his left

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

The Architect - We won’t.

End Scene


#17

:confused: still few question linger in my mind.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

ok. what was quicker than the others ?

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

what does it mean ? why does “the one” get to select 23 individuals ? and if not done, why there will be system crach ??

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end.

whats the flaw ? how did it get revealed ?

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

whats that ??

I think he explained that the matrix program had run through many times before, this was the 6th time that Neo had reached that point and it was the 6th time he went to save Trinity, and that he would eventually return to the matrix and it would start all over again.

again 1 doubt…

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

all others were didnt experience love, so they went to the source. but Neo experienced it & goes to save trinity. :confused: :confused:

i didnt understand the meaning of most of the words. i read the text many times but still not able to figure out some things… :bow: :bow:


#18

Originally posted by pps111
[B]:confused: still few question linger in my mind.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

ok. what was quicker than the others ?
[/B]

He was quicker than the other 5 Neo’s to understand what the Architect is talking about. He knows that the question is unimportent , but yet has to be asked. Afterwards the Architect explains , but does not answer his question. Why is HE here ?

[B]

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

what does it mean ? why does “the one” get to select 23 individuals ? and if not done, why there will be system crach ??
[/B]

Main Entry: dis·sem·i·nate
Pronunciation: di-'se-m&-"nAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing
Etymology: Latin disseminatus, past participle of disseminare, from dis- + seminare to sow, from semin-, semen seed – more at SEMEN
Date: 1603
1 : to spread abroad as though sowing seed <disseminate ideas>
2 : to disperse throughout

The one will bring a sort of reset to the matrix on where it will be rebuilt with the aid of the group he selected.

[B]

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end.

whats the flaw ? how did it get revealed ?
[/B]

Neo is the flaw and is always the flaw , because he is the one.

[B]

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

whats that ??
[/B]

The Architect is not surprised that Neo chose that particular door and he knows why he did it. Because of Hope.

Hope can bring great strength to people , but can be exploited as a weakness as well.

again 1 doubt…

[B]

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

all others were didnt experience love, so they went to the source. but Neo experienced it & goes to save trinity. :confused: :confused:
[/B]

The other 5 used different methods , not really focused. Neo is focused because he has one thing he is sure of. Love.

[B]

i didnt understand the meaning of most of the words. i read the text many times but still not able to figure out some things… :bow: :bow: [/B]

Try again now :slight_smile:

Ever thought Zion could be an invention of hope , so that once the people came behind the machines’ ideas , they would be focused on only one thing, yet not detroy anything at all.

Perhaps the greatest question after the end of the movie could be :

“If all the architect has said is true , then what the hell IS zion ?”


#19

here is the reason why the 1st matrix failed : it was too good to be true & humans woke up.

now…

if every previous version of “the one” went to saved the girl/love …they never returned to the source. so there should have been a huge system crash killing all humans (zion) & the matrix…but “Neo” (6th version of “the one”) is still there alive…howz that possible ??

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

is the architect lying ?? :confused:

my mind is now really screwed… :bigsmile:


#20

can someone please post the dialogs between Neo & Oracle.