In my opinion the whole next gen dvd standards got started off way too soon, before their maximum potential came to use. When the cdrom came out no private person had 700mb harddrives, when dvd's came out it was probably about the average size hd back in 96, single layer, but dual layer was bigger than most hd's back then. But when it comes to the new formats, atleast what was declared as the new standard, they are much much smaller than any hd nowadays. Think about it. Now, about a month after the new dvd standards are released they come out with somthing even better..... but it's not included in the first gen standardization.