To second Mr. Cooley's advice, I no longer use anything else, even Verbs. I stopped messing around looking for discounts and cheaper media a couple of years ago and exclusively use TY +R 8x media, the best ever. I burn at 12x and almost all of my scans are 97-98 quality score with less than 300 PIF, and more than a few 99's with under 100 PIF. Never had another media come close. Go to Rima.com and get premium line, not discount, though even the discount line of -R disc are better than 95% of the other discs out there.