Taiyo Yuden and SVP

Couple of questions…

As far as I can tell, all the problems with “fake” Taiyo Yuden media seem to be about discs which use the same (stamped) identifiers as TY and/or come in the same style of packaging- rather than actual discs being sold with the (counterfeited) TY name on the packaging, right?

Also, svp.co.uk seem to get mostly good reviews around here. I take it I can buy TY discs from them and be confident of getting the real thing (anyone checked)?

(Kind of annoying that TY don’t sell discs in the UK under their own name or brands. Yeah, I realise that certain types of discs from certain manufacturers are known to be TY, but… more hassle than it’s worth since I don’t buy discs that often :smiley: I just want to get my hands on some reliable media for archiving at a decent price.)

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Well, there are some discs sold as “TY” which are fake, but mostly in third tier shops.
If your discs are being explicitly sold as “Taiyo Yuden” (and not only mention the media code) then you’re safe.

If you want branded TY, go to Greece and buy That’s. Or you can get Plextor DVD media which is always genuine TY.

Yep, SVP sell the real thing…I don’t buy TY anywhere else.

Another good thing about them, is if you’re ever in doubt, just drop them an email and they’ll let you know about media you’re considering. :slight_smile:

BTW, welcome to CDF :slight_smile:

SVP is the place i get most of my media from aswell. Great place to shop, good price’s too.

I bought lots of Verbatim TY and TY’s own unbranded and printable discs and have only good things to say about them. I got a box of svp’s Datasafe (TY) and thought it was rubbish. Most recent reviews on Datasafe TY @ svp seem to indicate discs are now ok. I can guarantee mine wasn’t ok and clearly different than usual unbranded TY. I’m afraid recent reviewers aren’t aware. If they are aware and discs are in fact ok i’m glad for svp and Datasafe :slight_smile:

—NB! Off course i got the best service regarding those Datasafe discs. Wouldn’t put my money other places :smiley:

Were the TY Datafafes the 100 pack or the 10 pack of printables?

100

I tried 2 boxes of the Datasafe printable 10 and they were perfect (but expensive) :slight_smile:

An example of SVP’s TY media.
Burned on the Samsung SE-S184M (burn speed 8x)


Don’t forget that SVP have a great customer service too. I bought several tubs of Panasonic DVDR with T-Y dye that they had on promotion once, but was unhappy with the results, so I sent an email and asked if they’d exchanged them for T-Y verbs. They sent them via courier (exchanging the discs via “collection on delivery”), none of this “get an RMA and post them back at your own cost” that I’ve had from other e-tailers.

I’ve had their unbranded T-Y discs, which are excellent - much cleaner graphs than verb T-Y & Plex T-Y that I’ve used (PIF usually 1 or 2 max with total less than 100 (see my posting http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1596047&postcount=236)

Great stuff, thanks for the info, should be useful when I need to order my next lot of DVDs.

BTW, re:paying postage on returned goods. The consumer laws in the UK state that you shouldn’t have to foot the postage bill if you need to return a faulty product. Whether it’s worth pursuing this or even kicking up a fuss for small amounts is pretty questionable, but anyway:-

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/your-rights/fs_c04.shtml#8

says that “You are not legally obliged to return faulty goods to the seller at your own expense, unless you agreed this in advance. If a bulky item is difficult or expensive to return, ask the seller to collect it. This does not apply when you complain about faults after having ‘accepted’ the goods, or if the goods were a present.”

Think this might apply in other EU countries if it’s based on EU legislation. It almost certainly doesn’t apply in the US, as their consumer laws are very different and generally weaker. This is one thing to bear in mind when complaining about US/UK price differences; another is that US prices often exclude sales tax, and UK prices normally don’t.

(Apologies if this is veering off-topic; I felt it was applicable if you’re considering buying media within the UK/EU or from the US).

Beautiful…I knew the new Sammy drives were something special :clap:

But the consumer rights are (from what I heard) generally stronger in the US, because the stores there do it without having to be kicked into somewhere, unlike European or UK stores. Maybe stuff like pricematching is just more widespread there.

I’m not quite sure but I think the sales tax doesn’t have to be paid in all cases in the US because there are quite a few exceptions (ordering on the web from another state)?

Ah, yes. What a wonderful thing. I’m so glad I don’t live in the same state as Rima or Newegg. :bigsmile:

A few online shops try to make up the sales tax (gross receipts tax for Riteks, I believe) in the shipping and handling fees, but it’s normally a heck of a lot cheaper than buying from within your own state.

With respect, Americans seem to be exposed to a lot of misconceptions/misrepresentations about Europe and our inefficient (blah blah) socialist/communist/maoist :wink: laws which get reported as fact (often by those who stand to gain from less regulation). I’m not opening that can of worms though. :stuck_out_tongue:

Okay; but the point I was making is that much of the perceived price gulf between the UK and the US is down to quoted prices including/excluding sales tax. There’s a perception in Britain that manufacturers charge more and rip people here off; maybe so, but they can’t be blamed for VAT

(continuation- sorry, accidentally hit “submit” button before I’d finished typing):-

but they don’t receive a penny of the VAT (i.e. UK sales tax); I’m sure a lot of people fail to account for this when they blame the manufacturers of ripping people off.

Additional: About the warranties; well, all I can say is that the 90 day guarantee on (e.g.) a PS2 or even a 30 day warranty on a new laptop (yes, I’ve seen this) seem appalling, but apparently it’s legal in the US. (Ditto rebates; I hear Americans complaining about non-payment. Rebates aren’t illegal in the EU, and yet we rarely see them here. Why? Probably because there isn’t much point for the manufacturers if they aren’t allowed to abuse the system).

Regarding whose laws you prefer; it’s a matter of choice. I think it’s reasonable to expect certain standards from new goods, and the EU law backs this up, but it does it probably increases prices by a small amount. You pays your money and you takes your choice; I know which I prefer, but we live in different countries and if you prefer your law, that’s okay with me.

Sorry, can of worms is all over the place now :frowning:

(continuation- sorry, accidentally hit “submit” button before I’d finished typing):-

but they don’t receive a penny of the VAT (i.e. UK sales tax); I’m sure a lot of people fail to account for this when they blame the manufacturers of ripping people off.

Additional: About the warranties; well, all I can say is that the 90 day guarantee on (e.g.) a PS2 or even a 30 day warranty on a new laptop (yes, I’ve seen this) seem appalling, but apparently it’s legal in the US. (Ditto rebates; I hear Americans complaining about non-payment. Rebates aren’t illegal in the EU, and yet we rarely see them here. Why? Probably because there isn’t much point for the manufacturers if they aren’t allowed to abuse the system).

Regarding whose laws you prefer; it’s a matter of choice. I think it’s reasonable to expect certain standards from new goods, and the EU law backs this up, but it does it probably increases prices by a small amount. You pays your money and you takes your choice; I know which I prefer, but we live in different countries and if you prefer your law, that’s okay with me.

Sorry, can of worms is all over the place now :frowning:

I believe the Plextors (+R) are stil TH0000021 batch, so thats a plus if you go for them.

[QUOTE=>:|sh4d0w|:<]I believe the Plextors (+R) are stil TH0000021 batch, so thats a plus if you go for them.[/QUOTE]sorry, but is that 8x +R or 16x +R Plextor media ?

16x +R :slight_smile:

Yep 16X Plextor to my knowledge re-entered the market at 16x with TY, just had a delivery last week, and they were 21’s.