Taiyo Yuden - +/-? 8x/16x? I need something that will finally work!

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#1

I have a HP 16x DVD writer 640i I crossflashed to a BenQ 1625. It works fine for CDs, but I have yet to burn a single working DVD.

The first media, Maxell DVD-R was not even recognized by the drive. The second, Verbatim 8x DVD+R has been giving me Session Fixation Errors at all burn speeds.

As I can burn CDs fine and the drive is new, I’m thinking it’s just the media. I want to get something good. Speed and cost aren’t issues. I just want something that works.

I was suggested Taiyo Yuden. But which should I go for: 8x or 16x, and +/-? My inclination is to go with 16x because it’s got to be a higher definition media with a lot more leaway. But then again, I worry if I put a 16x disc in there Nero might tell me my BenQ doesn’t know what to do with it because it may lack compatibility (true?). Either way, I figure I’ll stick to burning at 4x.

As far as +/- goes, I want to burn data backup and movies with good DVD player compatibility.

Suggestions?

#2

I would say the fault isn’t in the media. Do you have the latest firmware update and is Nero up to date?

#3

Thanks for the input. I had the same feeling after the Verbatim didn’t work. Both are major brands and so is my burner - it seems funny.

Yes, I have Nero 6.6.0.16. The firmware was updated as an HP and as a BenQ. FYI, here is a log for a recent burn (Session Fixation Error on the Verbatim 8x DVD+R):

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\PROGRA~1\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 26/10/2004 6:35:34 PM 
Nero Version: 6.6.0.16
Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 16b

Recorder:             <BENQ DVD DD DW1625>      Version: BBHA - HA 4 TA 1 - 6.6.0.16
 Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 4
 Drive buffer  :      2048kB
 Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI 
CD-ROM:               <HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B>Version: 0L23 - HA 4 TA 0 - 6.6.0.16
 Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 4

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD800BB-60CCB0               atapi Port 1 ID 0  DMA: On 
DiskPeripheral       : Maxtor 6Y080L0                   atapi Port 1 ID 1  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B        atapi Port 4 ID 0  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : BENQ DVD DD DW1625               atapi Port 4 ID 1  DMA: On 

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B  G:   CDRom0
BENQ DVD DD DW1625         H:   CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs: 
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 1023MB (1048048kB)
Free physical memory: 561MB (574464kB)
Memory in use       : 45 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0) 

10.10.2005
ISO compilation
10:48:52 PM	#1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6356
	Iso document burn settings
	------------------------------------------
	Determine maximum speed : TRUE
	Simulate                : FALSE
	Write                   : TRUE
	Finalize CD             : TRUE
	Multisession            : FALSE
	Burning mode            : DAO
	Mode                    : 1
	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
	Character set           : ISO 9660
	Joliet                  : TRUE
	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : TRUE
	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE
	
10:48:52 PM	#2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
	Reader running
	
10:48:52 PM	#3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
	Writer BENQ     DVD DD DW1625    running
	
10:48:52 PM	#4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
10:48:53 PM	#5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233
	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
	
10:48:53 PM	#6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270
	Last possible write address on media:  2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
	Last address to be written:            1756655 (390:22.05, 3430MB)
	
10:48:53 PM	#7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
10:48:53 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483
	Recorder: BENQ DVD DD DW1625, Media type: DVD+R
	
10:48:53 PM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
10:48:53 PM	#10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 1756656 (1756656) = #1756656/390:22.6
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1756656 blocks [BENQ     DVD DD DW1625]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
10:48:53 PM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051
	Prepare recorder [BENQ     DVD DD DW1625] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 1:
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0    3597631488, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
	       0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
	       0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
	       0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
	 1756656 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
	
10:48:53 PM	#12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Caching of files started
	
10:48:55 PM	#13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4120
	Cache writing successful.
	
10:48:55 PM	#14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Caching of files completed
	
10:48:55 PM	#15 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Speed measurement started
	
10:48:55 PM	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
10:50:39 PM	#17 WINPFILE 2 File winpfile.cpp, Line 274
	The system cannot find the file specified.

	E:\Bk-sonar\RECYCLED\DF37.-OV
	
10:52:02 PM	#18 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
	<BENQ     DVD DD DW1625   > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1756656 (1ACDF0h), lenght 0 blocks
	
10:52:02 PM	#19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
10:52:03 PM	#20 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1781
	Speed measurement completed: 14.3x (19,764 KB/s)
	
10:53:03 PM	#21 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	
10:53:03 PM	#22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
10:53:03 PM	#23 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1180
	SCSI Exec, HA 4, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x0A570400
	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x24
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00 
	Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12 
	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00 
	
10:53:03 PM	#24 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5065
	Book Type automatically set to: Current recorder setting
	
10:53:03 PM	#25 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 665
	Start write address at LBA 0
	DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
	
10:53:53 PM	#26 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1434
	SCSI Exec, HA 4, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x033C0000
	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
	Sense Key:  0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
	Sense Code: 0x72
	Sense Qual: 0x01
	CDB Data:   0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00 
	Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12 
	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x01 
	
10:53:53 PM	#27 CDR -1176 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
	Session fixation error
	
10:53:53 PM	#28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
10:53:53 PM	#29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
	conversion idle, stopping reader
	
10:53:53 PM	#30 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1180
	SCSI Exec, HA 4, TA 1, LUN 0
	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x72
	Sense Qual: 0x03
	CDB Data:   0x5B 0x01 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 
	Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12 
	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x03 
	
10:53:53 PM	#31 Phase 127 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Generating DVD high compatibility borders
	
10:53:53 PM	#32 Phase 129 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Generating DVD borders completed successfully
	
10:53:53 PM	#33 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Burn process failed at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.28a, size=20640 bytes, created 11/03/2005 6:28:13 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 04/08/2004 12:59:42 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

If you see anything, please let me know!

#4

Hmm… Verbatim media should work fine, what about putting the BenQ at master and the LG at slave?

#5

Btw, what chipset is there on your mainboard?

Not nvidia nforce I hope? If so - make sure that you do NOT use the nvidia nforce IDE drivers - only the Microsoft ones included in the operating system

#6

Re: chipset, it is an NVIDIA nForce!! How did you know? On the advice of someone else, I rolled back the drivers already for all IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers to the plain Microsoft ones. However, no improvement. What’s wrong with the NVIDIA drivers? Is there some sort of cleaner utility I can use to ensure a complete reversal of any damage these drivers might have caused, or is what I’ve done adequate? I’d rather try a different drive (or no drive at all) than re-install XP and all my software … Any BIOS adjustments?

Re: master/slave, I put BenQ as master and for a second I thought it worked - I got through a full burn but then data verification failed (disc is visibly burned but cannot be read at all). After that single burn I’m back to to the same thing as before and up in the log above with the session fixation errors … What’s interesting to me about it is when I get these they don’t damage the disc at all - it remains 100% empty and usable. So I can’t burn.

Re: media, I’m getting some Taiyo Yuden DVD-R 8x coming in a few days now so I’ll see how those work. But I really have the feeling if the Verbatim DVD+R 8x isn’t even initiating a proper burn 9/10 times, there’s something else wrong. Probably the NVIDIA thing, but I’m at a loss.

I was expecting my first foray into DVD writing to go a lot more smoothly than this. I suppose the technology is still in a relatively earlier stage of development and cross-compatibility.

Is there anything else to try?

#7

About the best media: my vote goes to TY 8x -R.
I just finished a spindle of Verbatim 16x +R with varied results (even a coaster), and could hardly wait to go back to my good old Taiyo Yuden TYG02 8x -R.
First one: 98% QS in CD Speed, second one: 99%, just like before. I have had dozens of 99% scores on this media with my BenQ 1620 at 12x speed (and also with LG 4163/5163 but at 8x speed). 16x TY03 did not do as well.
BTW I always use full face printables.

#8

Whats this about the Nforce chipset? Is there a page where I could get more info about this topic? Sound interesting as I aswell have nforce chipset.

#9

There is nothing wrong with Nforce chipset as long as you’re not using NForce IDE drivers. =)

#10

So I got the DVD-R 8x TY’s and the drive doesn’t recognize them. I’m getting all 0’s for media code. This is ridiculous. I’m re-flashing and sending the drive back tomorrow. They just lost one more Lightscribe customer.

I’ll get a LG GSA4163B instead.

#11

You can try this to make sure your nVidia IDE drivers are properly uninstalled also there is more info about nvidia problems in the post I linked. As for Bios just make sure your IDE devices are set to AUTO or AUTO Detect and you should be OK. Try this before sending your drive back as it will only take a few minutes of your time. The link is for Plextor drives but it is pretty much universal.:slight_smile:

#12

Thanks. I uninstalled the IDE only (should I try uninstalling everything?).

Still no media recognition and all 0’s for my TY’s (and I know they’re genuine). I’m back on the HP firmware.

I’ll check to see if NVIDIA has any updates for my motherboard, but it looks very much like this drive is going back. The downside is since I don’t know what’s causing this problem, there’s no guarantee the switch will even help me. But I can hope.

If anyone has any more suggestions (ideally in the next few hours), they would be appreciated. I really liked the Lightscribe too. I’ll probably get an inkjet CD printer instead.

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 26/10/2004 6:35:34 PM 
Nero Version: 6.6.0.16
Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 16b

Recorder:             <HP DVD Writer 640c>      Version: JS04 - HA 4 TA 0 - 6.6.0.16
 Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 4
 Drive buffer  :      2048kB
 Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI 
CD-ROM:               <HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B>Version: 0L23 - HA 4 TA 1 - 6.6.0.16
 Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 4

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD800BB-60CCB0               atapi Port 1 ID 0  DMA: On 
DiskPeripheral       : Maxtor 6Y080L0                   atapi Port 1 ID 1  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : HP DVD Writer 640c               atapi Port 4 ID 0  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B        atapi Port 4 ID 1  DMA: On 

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
HP DVD Writer 640c         H:   CDRom0
HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B  G:   CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs: 
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 1023MB (1048048kB)
Free physical memory: 721MB (739284kB)
Memory in use       : 29 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0) 

13.10.2005
ISO compilation
12:05:49 AM	#1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6356
	Iso document burn settings
	------------------------------------------
	Determine maximum speed : FALSE
	Simulate                : TRUE
	Write                   : FALSE
	Finalize CD             : FALSE
	Multisession            : TRUE
	Multisession type:      : Start multisession
	Burning mode            : DAO
	Mode                    : 1
	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
	Character set           : ISO 9660
	Joliet                  : TRUE
	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : TRUE
	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE
	
12:05:49 AM	#2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
	Reader running
	
12:05:49 AM	#3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
	Writer HP       DVD Writer 640c  running
	
12:05:49 AM	#4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
12:05:49 AM	#5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233
	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
	
12:05:49 AM	#6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270
	Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
	Last address to be written:                607 (  0:08.07,    1MB)
	
12:05:49 AM	#7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
12:05:49 AM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483
	Recorder: HP DVD Writer 640c, Media type: DVD-R
	 Disc Manufacturer: TYG02 - 
	 Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
	
12:05:49 AM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
12:05:49 AM	#10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 608 (608) = #608/0:8.8
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 608 blocks [HP       DVD Writer 640c]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
12:05:50 AM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051
	Prepare recorder [HP       DVD Writer 640c] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc not fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 1:
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0       1245184, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
	       0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
	       0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
	       0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
	     608 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
	
12:05:50 AM	#12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Caching of files started
	
12:05:50 AM	#13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4120
	Cache writing successful.
	
12:05:50 AM	#14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Caching of files completed
	
12:05:50 AM	#15 Phase 32 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Simulation started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	
12:06:01 AM	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
12:06:01 AM	#17 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2379
	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession
	
12:06:01 AM	#18 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21708
	Set BUFE: Buffer underrun protection -> ON 
	
12:06:01 AM	#19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2534
	Start write address at LBA 0
	DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
	
12:06:01 AM	#20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8862
	---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
	Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-R   (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 0.0 (0)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:      0 h
	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:                 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:     0 h
	 Media Specific [16..63]:
	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	
12:06:08 AM	#21 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
	<HP       DVD Writer 640c > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 608 (260h), lenght 0 blocks
	
12:06:08 AM	#22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
12:06:08 AM	#23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2774
	EndDAO: Last written address was 607
	
12:06:11 AM	#24 Phase 133 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Writing short lead-out
	
12:07:26 AM	#25 Phase 33 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
	Simulation completed successfully at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.28a, size=20640 bytes, created 11/03/2005 6:28:13 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 04/08/2004 12:59:42 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
#13

Got the LG GSA4163B.

Works like a charm straight out of the box.

Thanks guys.