Still can't decide discs genuine (Datawrite / Taiyo)

vbimport

#1

Hi. I’ve tried to read the forums and find out if my new Datawrite and Taiyo Yuden are fakes but I still can’t say for sure. They look good but the Taiyo Yuden were really cheap.

I’ve done a check using DVD Identifier, here are the results:

Datawrite (notice it gives manufacturer as Ricoh, is this right?):


Code on discs: kl48c2120711213056

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R-DL:RICOHJPN-D01-067]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD+R DL] - [DVD+R DL]
Manufacturer Name :      [Ricoh Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID :        [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID :          [D01]
Product Revision :       [067]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [4,173,824 Sectors = 8.55 GB (7.96 GiB)]
Recording Speeds :       [2.4x , 3.3x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier V5.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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** INFO : Drive = TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N - [FW 0208] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R-DL:RICOHJPN-D01-067]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
 
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 =  5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
 
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 =  5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]



** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : e1 0f 32 10 00 03 00 00  00 fc ff ff 00 22 d7 ff   ..2.........."..
0010 : 00 00 03 52 49 43 4f 48  4a 50 4e 44 30 31 43 40   ...RICOHJPND01C@
0020 : 25 25 37 10 00 2c 6c 00  2c 6c 20 1f 0c 0c 14 14   %%7..,l.,l .....
0030 : 02 01 01 20 00 20 1f 0c  0c 14 14 02 01 01 20 00   ... . ........ .
0040 : 04 00 33 7b 5c 00 25 69  3a 26 1c 0a 0b 20 02 01   ..3{\.%i:&... ..
0050 : 01 00 00 58 62 42 26 1c  0a 0b 20 02 01 01 00 5f   ...XbB&... ...._
0060 : 84 00 00 43 66 3e 26 1c  0a 0b 20 02 01 01 00 00   ...Cf>&... .....
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                            ........        


Taiyos:


CODES FROM DISCS:

Inner of disc: FF935B300636GH
Outer of disc: GH000137

Discs are in a cake tub in strong plastic wrap which only covers the base of the tub.
Discs have 1 x plastic topper plus paper label. Paper label only covers 90% of top of disc (i.e. cut off)
Photos are concerning. The pic of the disc is slightly grainy. Result of mass production or fake?
Same for outer label. Pic of disc plus "Premium grade" grainy. Not awful just looks a little scanned then printed.

FROM DISC IDENTIFIER:

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG03]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name :      [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID :        [TYG03]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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[ DVD Identifier V5.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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** INFO : Drive = TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N - [FW 0208] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:TYG03]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
 
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 =  8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 =  5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
 
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 =  8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 =  5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]


** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00  02 84 0d 11 66 78 90 00   .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 33 00 00  04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   .TYG03..........
0020 : 05 a8 82 00 20 00 02 00  06 09 09 15 a9 9a 90 00   .... ...........
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00  08 07 11 0c 10 0b 06 00   ................
0040 : 09 95 07 0d 0b 68 88 00  0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00   .....h..........
0050 : 0b 08 16 17 96 88 85 00  0c b7 89 33 83 30 33 00   ...........3.03.
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00  00 00                     ..........      
 
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Control Data Zone'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'CDZ'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00  00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00   %........&......


Thanks in advance.


#2

Hello MDISK, welcome to the forum! :flower:
Could you please post the stamper & hub codes of your media?


#4

[QUOTE=pepst;2705769]Hello MDISK, welcome to the forum! :flower:
Could you please post the stamper & hub codes of your media?
[/QUOTE]

Hi Pepst. I have posted the codes that are on the DVDs and I can’t find any others.


#5

[QUOTE=MDISK;2705795]Hi Pepst. I have posted the codes that are on the DVDs and I can’t find any others.[/QUOTE]

You mean there are absolutely none physically on the disc itself, similar to what is shown in the image in pepst’s post?


#6

[QUOTE=Albert;2705843]You mean there are absolutely none physically on the disc itself, similar to what is shown in the image in pepst’s post?[/QUOTE]

The discs don’t look the same as in the picture, the codes are not so obvious. One is very small and runs around the very inner edge of the disc. In Pepst’s pic that would be right by the hole in the disc and is much smaller (1mm type, hard to read).

The datawrite discs only have one code as posted. I think the datawrite’s must be fakes as they identify as being Ricoh discs. But the Taiyo Yuden could just be the value range?

Will try to post photos later.