Occasionally the Pioneer reads as quickly as 16x but doesn't support that speed for very long. 12x is probably what it reads at most often. As for the Sony, it reads around the 7,000 to 8,000 mark. Often times only lower though at the 5 or 6 mark. For now I've just gone back to using the Pioneer to read and burn, but it would be nice to have one to read and one to burn, will save me having to switch discs when it's finished reading Isn't it nice to be lazy? LOL!
I'll just have to be patient until I can afford the new Litey.