i'm headin off to my circuit city and staples to get the last of thier ty's. my bb, compusa, and office depot only have the 16x sony left. i did try the 16x sony mij a while back (thinkin it was ty-t03) turned out 2 b sonyd21(??). i was not crazy bout burns. reminded me of the ritek media with regards to pie's (a constant hovering pie count in the 30 - 50 range with a big pie total), pif's seemed to be ok. so as much as i hate stockpiling, i may end up with a boatload of this sony stuff.