Solution for Safedisk 2.9x and 3.x

After making a lot of tests with games of Safedisk 2.9x and safedisk 3.x these are my points of view and solutions:

  • LG and ASUS cd-burners (newest models) can make perfect backups of safedisk 2.90 and 3.1 for any theorical device (99.99% of cases works)

-Old plexwriter 8/20 and its brother 8/2/20 can make it too, but it is possible that in some dvd-writers detects two weak sectors on both last revisions as defective but in most of the cases works without probs (however toshiba dvd-roms work and do not detect nothing !!: sdm1402,1401,1502 and 1612/1712)

-Newest Liteon cd-rws: They have problems with some dvd-writers (sometimes) and some cd-writers (very few cases) because they are not capable of writing correctly some weak sectors of both safedisk revisions (although you write at lowest speed)

-Plextor Premium with last fw 1.05: They have problems like liteon cdrws, (using EWS in all cases because it is a very good one sheep burner only), but its problem is in some dvd-writers and may be in oldest toshiba dvd-roms, because toshiba sdm1402 and others have not given me problems of working.

For the first two cases you can use any cd-recording software capable of writing in raw mode like Clonecd, alcohol 120% or Blindwrite, using the profiles recommended by Alcoholer :wink:

For the last two cases I recommend to use a cd-recording software like Clonecd or Alcohol 120% or blindwrite to make the image at 8x speed using the right settings, and for writing use Blindwrite with autoplay (at 8x it is the optimal for liteon cdrw and plextor premium) to get a full working backup like on a typical LG or ASUS cd-rw.
Using autoplay of Blindwrite you can play games in some devices that liteon or plex premium can not get with its own capabilities.
It is important to use EWS with plex premium because some toshiba devices and LG devices detects extra weak sectors and the backups do not work although you use autoplay (in some cases I have seen)

The last option is not reading this post (for liteon owners) and use any cd-recording software capable of writing in raw mode, always thinking that some devices will not work. ( I am not talking about the typical toshiba, but some creative cd-roms or dvd-writers will not work)

For plex premium owners should use EWS in all cases; TLA #0002 here has the same problems. May be some plex premiums can make good SD2.90/3.1 backups, but I can not confirm that here.

Regards to all :slight_smile: As you can see I have a good pack of devices to test all this I say.

Wow, that is quite a few CD/DVDROMs.

/MLS

Hi,

a question about the Toshiba SD-M 1402, wich revision and
firmware does it have ?

You can download this info-util to see the revision and firmware
version : http://hijacker.rpc1.org/discinfo/DISCInfo150.zip

If it is possibel plz post a screen-shot from the info-prog. here.

I´m very curious about your Toshiba SD-M 1402 cause mine
has problem to read/play backups from SD2.9 & 3.1 games.

The backups work in Toshiba SD-M 1712 !

Additional info : most drives have problems with the new weak sector pattern 3045 in SD2.9 & 3.1 reading/writing !!!
More info about the pattern 3045 is here :
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79661&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

many thx hallo51

@hallo51: ah my loveliest thread :slight_smile:

@all:
One other thing SD3.15 is even more interesting - and problematic, look here:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81093

btw. solution is maybe the wrong thing… you told details (information) about it but not really a solution.

The fw revision of the toshiba dvd-rom 1402 is 1010.
And about Safedisk 3.15, next week I will try to buy a copy of Prince of Persia to try it. I think I will have a bad surprise with it :frowning:
Macrovision has released another damned revision of safedisk stronger than safedisk 2.90. Safedisk 3.1 was only a present for all us :smiley:

@Parker:

look into the thread and you will find out really bad news.

there were 13 new patterns added and they were kind of special.

look there to find out everything.

I hope my old plex 8/20 will be the champion again hehe

so are you saying your lgs backups play fine without any emulation on the sd-m1402 drive with any sd 2.9 title i find that hard to believe. i have the asus 5224a fw1.1 and certain titles will not run on that toshi drive without emulation. note: certain titles even using the same version of safedisk are harder to backup that others.

have your tried sims superstar on that drive.
(FP and I would be curious how it works for you and not others could it be lgs are better than asus?).

I have a lg goldstar 4220 on my laptop not only is it not even a 1 sheep burner it has a very hard time playing sd2.9+ titles without emualtion.

i have tried clonecd, dj, bw, alc120, diskdump/fb, etc.

The titles I tried were C&C Generals Zero Hour, COD and MOHAAB.
All them were copied without probs on all drives I tried including the toshiba 1402.
In the case of Sims superstar that is safedisk 2.90; its problem is on a critical pattern that gives problems is at sectors 197-199 and 322-3xx in most of two sheep burners except my plex 8/20, 8/2/20 and LG GSA-4040B.
You are right about your Asus and may be my LG CD-RW, that some games have problems to copy; but my tested LG 8525B and Asus 5224A are fw 1.00 and IF I HAD CHANGED their fw to a newest one they had had similar problems like most part of liteon-cdrw and others; some games could be copied without problems and others not. Seems that an update of fw can lose its capabilities of EFM.
Thats why I did not changed nothing and both them work perfect.

In the case of Sims superstar that is safedisk 2.90; its problem is on a critical pattern that gives problems is at sectors 197-199 and 322-3xx in most of two sheep burners except my plex 8/20, 8/2/20 and LG GSA-4040B.

and which pattern are those?

I really do not know because I do not use the tool you use to scan the images.
I can say you that the difference on this game and the others is that according to nero cd-speed the problematic sector is the first one, and normally is the second one (using scandisk at nero cd-speed).

source file:THESIMSEP6.img

Sector 126: Occurence of pattern 2D9E (0/1/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 126: F: 1021 / 9
Sector 157: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 157: F: 1017 / 1015
Sector 158: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 158: F: 1017 / 1015
Sector 159: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 159: F: 1018 / 1016
Sector 160: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 160: F: 1018 / 1016
Sector 161: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 161: F: 1018 / 1016
Sector 162: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 162: F: 1018 / 1016
Sector 163: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 163: F: 1017 / 1015
Sector 164: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 164: F: 1017 / 1015
Sector 165: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 165: F: 1018 / 1015
Sector 166: Occurence of pattern 3F65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 166: F: 1017 / 1015
Sector 197: Occurence of pattern 3045 (1/2/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 197: F: 2031 / 1019
Sector 228: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 228: F: 2032 / 1019
Sector 229: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 229: F: 2031 / 1018
Sector 230: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 230: F: 2031 / 1018
Sector 231: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 231: F: 2031 / 1018
Sector 232: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 232: F: 2031 / 1018
Sector 233: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 233: F: 2031 / 1018
Sector 234: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 234: F: 2032 / 1019
Sector 235: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 235: F: 2032 / 1019
Sector 236: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 236: F: 2032 / 1019
Sector 237: Occurence of pattern 9B6D (1/2/ 12): 1018 times => w
Sector 237: F: 2032 / 1019
Sector 268: Occurence of pattern 14B9 (1/2/-14): 1018 times =>
Sector 268: F: 2033 / 1021
Sector 299: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 300: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 301: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 302: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 303: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 304: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 305: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 306: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 307: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 308: Occurence of pattern 5859 (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 339: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 340: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 341: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 342: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 343: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 344: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 345: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 346: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 347: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 348: Occurence of pattern 5A5F (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 379: Occurence of pattern 15FA (0/2/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 379: F: 2030 / 9
Sector 410: Occurence of pattern 1212 (0/2/-14): 1018 times => w
Sector 410: F: 2032 / 10
Sector 441: Occurence of pattern 3916 (0/1/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 441: F: 1017 / 6
Sector 472: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 472: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 473: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 473: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 474: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 474: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 475: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 475: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 476: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 476: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 477: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 477: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 478: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 478: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 479: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 479: F: 1020 / 1017
Sector 480: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 480: F: 1019 / 1016
Sector 481: Occurence of pattern 7D65 (1/1/ 0): 1018 times => w
Sector 481: F: 1020 / 1017
Sector 512: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 513: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 514: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 515: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 516: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 517: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 518: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 519: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times =>
Sector 520: Occurence of pattern 082A (0/0/ 0): 1018 times
=>

there are the same weak sectors as for every other SD2.9 game…

no special sectors…

The patterns 3045 and 15FA have given me problems to backup this game in particular

I know that they are problematic…especially the 3045

but they are on every SD2.9 and SD3.1 title.

So, if new safedisk 3.15 carries new problematic weak sectors; it will be very bad news. Furthermore I have read that implements a anti-emulation and anti-EWS system. not?

as I told in the thread there… probably yes… that is because the new weak sectors probably don’t get detected by CloneCD, Alcohol, BlindWrite, … .

And how shall something get emulated or amplified if it doesn’t get detected?

And there are 13 new weak sectors at least 6 real weak sectors and if there are not some problematic sectors with it I would really wonder…

Well I will post results next week about this safedisk revision on POP.
As you say, cd-recording software will need an update to support these new patterns of safedisk 3.15.

ok, thx that you keep me informed here… I don’t have SD3.15 so I can’t do tests myself.

@Parker which lg drives backed up superstar and played with no problems on your sd-m1402?

ps shouldnt this thread be in the protection discussion forum?