Sales tax collectors demand Amazon records

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#1

I just posted the article Sales tax collectors demand Amazon records.

Amazon is resisting an attempt by North Carolina tax collectors to pry out purchase details, names and addresses for every resident who’s bought something from the retailer since 2003.

Read the full article here: [http://www.myce.com/news/sales-tax-collectors-demand-amazon-records-28703/](http://www.myce.com/news/sales-tax-collectors-demand-amazon-records-28703/)

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#2

So…

I have to pay taxes on the money I earn (federal and state income tax).
I have to pay taxes on the money I earn if I decide to spend it (sales tax).
And the person that gets my money from a purchase must pay taxes on earning my money.

Something just don’t seem right with this. How many times does the same damn dollar need to be taxed? And why do states deserve to get taxes from a business that is not in their state?

RM


#3

[QUOTE=RichMan;2511846]And why do states deserve to get taxes from a business that is not in their state?[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe that they do. But due to irresponsible spending/planning, with budget shortfalls everywhere now, more and more states are attempting to rake in revenue sources wherever they can.


#4

Does this mean North Carolina’s Department of Revenue will be coming after Canadians? Hey, don’t laugh. If they go after people from other states, what’s to stop them from going after people in other countries? I’m originally from Nova Scotia, and years ago we had two (2) taxes, PST and GST (it’s now a combined/harmonized tax, called the HST). In other provinces the taxes were added to the original price, but in Nova Scotia the first tax was added then the second tax was added on the original price PLUS the tax. Yes, you were PAYING TAX ON TAX. Talk about a money grab. This stupid situation lasted for years until the taxes were combined.


#5

They’re not actually going after people from other states, they’re claiming that their own in-state residents have to pay state sales tax on purchases from Amazon. And they’re trying to get Amazon to provide detailed purchasing records for everyone that lives in their state.


#6

IMO, NC will lose this one (even if they get some short-term hollow victory upfront)… if NYers will travel 300+ miles to get some cheap furnature from PA or NC… don’t you think that Amazon will lose customers as they look elsewhere in tax protest? Amazon could end up morphing into a slippery fish such as Ebay to scoot around local tax laws. Many electronics resellers are hedging their bets nowadays by selling “OEM” products which don’t necessarily include retail packaging (or full accesories/manuals etc). Selling used or non sealed retail packages of products at a discount is another loophole to the whole tax scheme.

These pathetic attempts to go after the little guy for the extra tax dollars is absurd. There are RICH people & companies trying very hard to blend in with the little guy and cry poor. While it’s true that EVERYONE got a bump down a few notches as the economy took a nose-dive after 9/11/2001-- the rich people are squeezing legislators to attack the poor working classes trying to tax & surcharge everything from sugar soft drinks, to porn, to goods sold across state lines. This is a shot across the bow to class (tax) warfare. We as ordinary (non filthy rich) consumer won’t stand for it!


#7

[QUOTE=tmc8080;2512043]These pathetic attempts to go after the little guy for the extra tax dollars is absurd.[/QUOTE] Actually it is not. It is far easier to get 10 cents from 100 people , than 10 dollars from one.


#8

I know people will not like this but it is time that they start collecting taxes on purchases online. It is not fair to the states and sure not fair to any business in the state that a person lives in.


#9

I’m sorry but these tax collectors need to go jump in a lake. We’re already taxed enough as it is.


#10

I wonder if California will ever try to get info from amazon for the same purpose… I sure hope not, if they do, I will have some explaining to do to the franchise tax board, since I continuously keep “forgetting” to pay the use tax on items I buy from amazon.


#11

Here in the EU (at least in Ireland), the sales tax is carried out a little different: If the shop and customer are in two different countries, but both are within the EU, the shop must charge the tax of the country the product is being sent to during the transaction. For example, if I buy something from Amazon UK, I am charged the Irish rate of 21% tax during the transaction, just like buying from an Irish online shop.

If the shop is located outside the EU, then the package is liable to import duty, which is collected by COD. Here in Ireland, this is charged at roughly 33% of the declared value if it is over €35 from what I recall for most goods. For example, if I bought a camera on a US shop for €100 to deliver to my address, customs would put a COD on the parcel for roughly €33, which I would need to pay the courier to get the parcel.

So the only way around this here is for the shipper to declare a low value or send out the items in individual packets if the items are valued below the threshold for customs duty. The catch for a low value declaration is that if the parcel gets lost, it’s only insured for the value declared.


#12

[QUOTE=Blu-rayFreak;2511847]I don’t believe that they do. But due to irresponsible spending/planning, with budget shortfalls everywhere now, more and more states are attempting to rake in revenue sources wherever they can.[/QUOTE]

It never occurs to our esteemed politicians that slashing spending is the sustainable way to balance a budget. It is the way all us common folk have to do it. We don’t walk into our employer’s office and demand a raise to meet our personal spending wants and desires. We cut our spending accordingly. These people looking to raise taxes work for [B]us[/B] and it is time [B]we[/B] tell them what we expect from them.

If every person added up all the taxes they pay in a year they would faint. We pay federal, state (except Florida and Texas) and sometimes local income taxes, sales tax, personal property tax, real estate tax, gasoline tax, tax on utilities, FICA/Medicare tax (7.65% of gross income and your employer pays the same amount), tax on your cell phone bill, etc. These are just the ones I can think of quickly. There are many more taxes put on businesses that get passed along to the consumer too. I am self employed and can attest to the many, many taxes businesses have to pay. These costs fall right to the consumer.

Now just think of all these new taxes Congress has passed and will be kicking in very soon. Then throw a potential VAT tax on top of everything and I wouldn’t be surprised if the average two income, middle class household will be paying over half their income to various levels of government and what do they really get in return for it? I sure don’t see nearly any return to me that comes close to equaling what I pay. I would like to know where all this money is spent.

I know one HUGE money pit is our educational system here in the USA. We dump more and more money into it year after year and the quality of the education our children receive declines nearly every year. Slashing school budgets, requiring teachers/administration to perform for pay, build schools for 1/3 the price we do today and granting vouchers to parents that want their children to attend private schools is where I would begin spending cuts if I were made dictator for a day. Then I would tell every government agency at every level that they will return to their 2005 budgets and will receive annual increases of 1/3 the inflation rate for a given year. I could go on and on. Oh, I would also slash taxes across the board to stimulate economic growth. Then when the revenue to the government starts to rise I wouldn’t let spending rise more than 1/3 of inflation. This alone would balance the annual budget in short order and allow a meaningful start to paying off the national debt.

Also, the minimum age for retirement has to increase. When it was set at 65 over 70 years ago the average life span was far lower than it is today and what it will be in the future. We can’t afford to have people living to 100+ years and still let them retire at 65. Retirement age needs to be tied to the national life expectancy figures. Giving a privatization option for Social Security is another good idea as is privatizing Medicare. Basically, we have to shrink the size of government across the board or it will break the backs of every American except the greedy politicians that perpetuate our current path of self destruction. They will always find a way to prosper and live like royalty if left unchecked like they are today.


#13

[QUOTE=UTR;2512536]It never occurs to our esteemed politicians that slashing spending is the sustainable way to balance a budget. It is the way all us common folk have to do it. We don’t walk into our employer’s office and demand a raise to meet our personal spending wants and desires. We cut our spending accordingly. These people looking to raise taxes work for [B]us[/B] and it is time [B]we[/B] tell them what we expect from them.[/QUOTE]
+1, great post!


#14

The Gabriel Foundation, the well-known parrot rescue organization, used to provide a link to Amazon.com that would give thegabrielfoundation.org a small % off of any sale–from anywhere–that used that link. But the Gabriel Foundation is in Colorado, and Colorado’s sales tax actions against Amazon forced the shutdown of that link, depriving a worthy charity of a little extra $$$.


#15

[QUOTE=ParrotSlave;2512775]The Gabriel Foundation, the well-known parrot rescue organization, used to provide a link to Amazon.com that would give thegabrielfoundation.org a small % off of any sale–from anywhere–that used that link. But the Gabriel Foundation is in Colorado, and Colorado’s sales tax actions against Amazon forced the shutdown of that link, depriving a worthy charity of a little extra $$$.[/QUOTE]

The big lie is that the federal government really cares about people. The one thing they care the most about is self preservation, self advancement and increasing control of the masses through self expansion. This past year has shown this in spades. It has been this way for over a century but recently it seems the feds don’t even care to hide their true intent anymore.

I suggest you look at EVERY new law that is passed and the majority of them are done to increase revenue to the government. The tobacco laws was a money grab as is all these proposed food taxes. If these products are so bad then why not ban them outright? They don’t want to do that because then the revenue stream they generate would disappear. The same is true for fining people for using cell phones in a car, photo speed traps and many, many other laws. I truly hope we are seeing the beginning of a sustained period where government, at all levels, is being reigned in and repurposed to its original intent as stated in the Constitution.


#16

UTR you are correct anyone with eyse should see that the increased tobacco is just a tax that picks on one group instead of all. Most cities are adding camaras at stop lights for one reason that is to make money. When states have made them increase the yellow light back to a normal time frame then the cities stop using the camaras.

But that said I still think it is time to tax all purchases for sales tax it is not fair to tax items sold in stores and not items purchased over the phone or internet.
I for one would love to see us go to a value added tax and do away with income tax both state and feds.


#17

[QUOTE=samlar;2512990]But that said I still think it is time to tax all purchases for sales tax it is not fair to tax items sold in stores and not items purchased over the phone or internet.[/QUOTE]

The original intent of exempting Internet purchases from sales taxes was to grow Internet sales. It did work and this is the reason I think it should stay in place. IMO, we don’t need another new tax that suppresses economic growth. I think of all those small retail stores that now get a large amount of their revenue from Internet sales and this will set them back or maybe even put them out of business.

There is another way to look at the internet tax exemption and how it actually helps small businesses. The big corporations like Walmart, Target, Best Buy etc. have to charge sales tax on internet purchases because they have stores, or operations, in every state. The fact they charge sales tax and a smaller business does not helps to level the playing field since their buying power is so much greater than a small business. If the small businesses have to also charge sales tax them I would expect a lot of them to go under because they can no longer compete with the lower prices of the big box stores.

Then again our greedy politicians don’t care about such things because all they can see is new potential revenue. What they fail to realize is that excessive taxation actually lowers tax receipts to the government because it stifles economy growth.

[QUOTE=samlar;2512990]I for one would love to see us go to a value added tax and do away with income tax both state and feds.[/QUOTE]

I would be all for a [B]reasonable[/B] VAT if all income taxes were dropped. This means federal, state and local income taxes would have to be abolished by a Constitutional amendment. This is the only way we could insure a taxation double cross by our politicians wouldn’t occur.


#18

[QUOTE=UTR;2513039]The original intent of exempting Internet purchases from sales taxes was to grow Internet sales. It did work and this is the reason I think it should stay in place. IMO, we don’t need another new tax that suppresses economic growth. I think of all those small retail stores that now get a large amount of their revenue from Internet sales and this will set them back or maybe even put them out of business.

There is another way to look at the internet tax exemption and how it actually helps small businesses. The big corporations like Walmart, Target, Best Buy etc. have to charge sales tax on internet purchases because they have stores, or operations, in every state. The fact they charge sales tax and a smaller business does not helps to level the playing field since their buying power is so much greater than a small business. If the small businesses have to also charge sales tax them I would expect a lot of them to go under because they can no longer compete with the lower prices of the big box stores.

Then again our greedy politicians don’t care about such things because all they can see is new potential revenue. What they fail to realize is that excessive taxation actually lowers tax receipts to the government because it stifles economy growth.

I would be all for a [B]reasonable[/B] VAT if all income taxes were dropped. This means federal, state and local income taxes would have to be abolished by a Constitutional amendment. This is the only way we could insure a taxation double cross by our politicians wouldn’t occur.[/QUOTE]

Yo UTR-

I’m in total agreement-eh!! :iagree: