Radeon 9000 Pro or 9100?

I have seen the Sapphire ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and 9100 for the same price. Although the 9100 (8500) is meant to be faster than a 9000 Pro, why is it being sold at the same price when it also has 64Mb more RAM than the 9000 Pro?

Also, I heard the 9100 only has one RAMDAC, which is worse for using dual-monitor, whereas the 9000 Pro has two. What does that actually mean? Will the image quality be worse when driving 2 monitors or is it slower?

Finally, does anyone have any information about the TV-Out of the Sapphire 128Mb cards. Sometimes the 64Mb versions of cards have S-Video out whereas the 128Mb versions use the lower-quality Composite connection.

9000 Pro: Core 275MHz, Mem 275Mhz, 64Mb, £72
9100: Core 250MHz, Mem 200Mhz, 128Mb, £72

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Sapphire_143.html

Which should I buy?

if you want speed go for the one with the highest core /mem speed.
I myself have modded my 8500 to a 9100…and it works fine with the latest games. Also the tv out is very good.

damiandimitri, could you please tell us core and memory speeds of your card.

Probably 275/275 or 250/275.

by default (radeon 8500) it was 250/250…the core is easily to overclock…but the problem on some cards is the memory.
MIne is not so good …i can not overclock it to much

I run the card (with 9100 bios) 260/260 normally…but when playing games i overclock the core a bit more (280/275)

the ones you buy can go the 275/275…perhaps higher

the 9100 (non pro with 128mb) can be even overclocked/patched to an 9700 if you are lucky

the ones you buy can go the 275/275…perhaps higher

Are you sure that “9100: Core 250MHz, Mem 200Mhz, 128Mb, £72” can reach 275 ? The core should go 275, but I’m not sure about the memory… 75MHz is very much…

if you have 3.5ns (or how is this called?? lol) memory (1000/3.5=275mhz) it can be done.
but many have not that fast memory. they use 4ns…(1000/4=250mhz)

best is to buy some memory heatsinks on the card.

edit
in my previous post i said that the 9100 non pro can be modded to a 9700. that is wrong…it should be the 9500 non pro…sorry

  1. Can Hercules 3D PROPHET FDX8500LE 64MB DDR be overclocked to 9100 ?

  2. Is Hercules 3D PROPHET FDX8500LE 64MB DDR faster then Sapphire 9000 Pro ?

The 9100 is a Radeon 8500 LE, renamed to reflect the fact it is faster than the 9000/pro.

This site is in german, translate it with altavista if you can’t read german, it compares the two cards :wink:

Thanks for the link baracus, but I find these benchmarks hard to believe: how can 9100 outperform 9000 pro and sometimes even 9500 when it’s a much cheaper card ?

P.S. What does “Magerer Lieferumfang” mean ?

I don’t read german :slight_smile:

I would think since the 9100 is basically the high end card of ATIs 2001/2002 lineup, and that the 9000 is the super low end of the 2002/2003 lineup, might contribute to the 9100 performing better.

Magerer Lieferumfang, means, that you don’t get much stuff included with the card…so don’t expect for example games, powerdvd or any cables when you buy it

might contribute to the 9100 performing better[quote/]

But why does sapphire R9100 64 MB (250/230MHz) cost 20$ less then sapphire R9000 Pro 64 MB (275/275MHz) ?

[quote]The 9100 is a Radeon 8500 LE

When why does 9100 support Fullstream and has a DVI-D ?

P.S. How to convert DVI-D signal into DVI-I ?

Sorry fo the quote mess… Here it goes again…

might contribute to the 9100 performing better

But why does sapphire R9100 64 MB (250/230MHz) cost 20$ less then sapphire R9000 Pro 64 MB (275/275MHz) ?

The 9100 is a Radeon 8500 LE

When why does 9100 support Fullstream and has a DVI-D ?

P.S. How to convert DVI-D signal into DVI-I ?

Ask ATI why, lol.

I just looked for the comparison, not the reason why they sell a faster card, cheaper.

P.S. How to convert DVI-D signal into DVI-I ?

They are the same thing.

But why does sapphire R9100 64 MB (250/230MHz) cost 20$ less then sapphire R9000 Pro 64 MB (275/275MHz) ?

the clock speeds are lower…these days you pay for speed

the clock speeds are lower…these days you pay for speed

You are right, but higher clock speed doesn’t always mean higher speed… It’s still a question to me how a faster card can cost less…

the r9100 is not a new card…that is why it is cheaper …it is a 8500 based card…no development needed to design it.

no development needed to design it

good argument… but why to manufacture R9000 Pro at all if it’s slower and costs more ?