Questions about burning DVD's

I’m new to the whole writing to DVD’s thing, and I recently purchased a new Dell Laptop computer, an Inspiron 6400. Specs are (if you need more in depth, please let me know):

Philips DVD±RW SDVD8820 optical drive (specs: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/P108544/en/intro.htm )
Intel CoreDuo @ 2ghz
1 GB ram
100 gig HD, about 90 of which is free space
256 MB nVidia graphics card

Now I have a DVD of some home video that my Dad had put onto a DVD at some place and was going to make a few copies (this is a non-copy protected DVD). When I use the DVD software that came with my computer (Roxio Creator LE Dell Edition) it was able to copy the DVD, but the process started quite slow, about 1.5x and then slowly works it’s way up to a maximum of about 6x. I have tried to make a copy of the same DVD using Nero Premium 7.5.1.1 and it starts to write the DVD, does 1% and then says the write failed at a speed of 8x. When I select the option in Nero to display the current write speed, it starts very low, around 1.5x, just like in the Roxio software, only it just stops and tells me the write failed at 8x. I have saved the log but it is quite lengthy and I’m not really sure what parts to look at to see if they would help this problem. But if I am buring just data off of my HD, not an image file, it completes, the disc, but in the slow to progressively faster manor that the Roxio software seems to.

I have run some write tests using Nero CD-DVD Speed and tried three different kinds of media, Sony DVD+R’s, Memorex DVD-R’s and some Philips DVD-R’s. I have gotten the best results with the Sony’s and the Nero test results look like this:

Does that look normal? When I use the Memorex or Philips media, I don’t even get the late jump to 8x. It just stays at about 6x until the end. Should it take that long to work up to its maximum speed like that? I have done some more testing with just data straight off of my HD and it always starts slowly, and then works its way up, but not very fast, and the average speed is usually somewhere around 4x-5x.

I have checked to make sure the HD and Optical Drive are in DMA mode, and they are. I have uninstalled and re-installed the Optical Drive in Device Manager, uninstalled and re-installed the secondary IDE controller, and spent some time on the phone with Dell’s technical support which had me update the BIOS, and run through the diagnostic tests that are on the diagnostic partition of the HD, all of which the drive passed. Because of all this, and my drive still not writing as quickly as it should (I think anyways, but I’m not sure if this is normal) Dell is sending me a new drive.

I guess my question is, is this normal behaviour for a DVD burner? Should they take this long to get going or should they just spool up and go? Why can’t Nero seem to make a copy of a DVD that some other (supposedly inferior software) can.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, this is so much more complicated that burning to CD-R’s, when I could just use Hotburn and CloneCd and do just about anything I wanted.

-Bryce

Welcome to CDFReaks, Si[xXx]er!

It looks like that Sony burn went like it should, but this drive’s firmware isn’t tuned for fast burning. That’s an 8X burn taking almost as long as a 4X burn on desktop drives. I assume this laptop model is optimized for low power consumption and low heat generation rather than high speeds.

Under the Benchmark tab, you can hit the “Run Test” menu + select “Transfer Rate” to see if the burn result is OK (“Burst Rate” would be interesting to know as well). Save the screenshot as .png by clicking the little floppy icon on top of the window.

So it looks like things are running properly? But if that is the case how come I can’t seem to make a copy of a regular DVD-R using Nero 7?

I ran tests you requested, here are the results:

Transfer Rate:

Burst Rate:

-Bryce

Si[xXx]er,
There doesn’t appear to be anything wrong with your notebook or burner.
I can only suggest two things on the hardware side:

  1. Your notebooks burner is slow. Either be satisfied with its speed or use an external burner, as I do (well, actually I have four).
    Try burning @ 2X on discs that have previously failed.

  2. Buy better discs. Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden.

Are you using the “Disc Copy” function in nero smart start?

Thanks for the help guys.

I was just using the Copy entire DVD function in Nero Express. Well, if this is supposed to be the way it works then I guess I am kinda stuck, I don’t really have the money for a new external optical drive, so I guess I will just have to wait a little bit longer for my discs.

Thanks again for all the help. I’m kinda glad that it is working the way it is supposed to, but a little bit disappointed that it doesn’t seem capable of doing what I paid for, or not doing it as well as other products available.

-Bryce

If it’s any consolation, you’re not alone in being disappointed: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=181030&highlight=SDVD8820. Maybe you’ll get lucky and Dell sends you another (better) type OEM-drive. :slight_smile:

The Nero burn failures could be media related. If you wish, you can attach the Nero Error Log as a text file (or put it in Code tags) to limit the screen size of the post and we can have a look at it. Please remove any serials and personal data first. The best advice i can give is for you to find a disc type that works well with your drive and stick with it (Verbatim is recommended for its quality and compatibility).

Just for fun I had a friend of mine do a Nero Speed test on his 8x NEC burner and it took just under two minutes for his to reach 8x, and then it stayed their for the duration of the test, and this is a drive that he is unhappy with… Sure makes me feel great about mine. :frowning:

I sure hope I get something else, but I really doubt that, but I guess I will find out on Tuesday when my new drive gets here.

I will attach the log file, but I’m not at home right now, so I will do that later today if I get a chance. Thanks for the recommendation on the Verbatim media, but I don’t think I will have a chance to try it out any time soon. In my quest to find some media that worked a little better I have ended up with lots of blanks, to try the Philips media (I thought a Philips drive would work best with Philips media, apparently I was wrong…) I had to purchase a spindle of 50, and then I still have at least half a dozen Sony’s and I think one or two Memorex’s. :frowning: Oh well it is just my hard earned money right…

Are there any other applications that are “better” than Nero for writing CD’s and DVD’s or is it generally considered the best application?

Thanks again for the help, and I will try to get that log file up when I get a chance.

-Bryce

Ok, I’m at home now and here is the Log file from the failed copy in Nero, I’m not sure what parts are relevant, so here is the whole thing.

-Bryce

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 02/11/2004 1:54:32 PM 

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.5.1.1
Internal Version: 7, 5, 1, 1

Recorder:			 <PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820>Version: AD15 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.5.1.1
 Adapter driver:	  <IDE>					 HA 1
 Drive buffer  :	  2048kB
 Bus Type	  :	  default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM:			   <PHILIPS  DVD+-RW SDVD8820>Version: AD15 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.5.1.1
 Adapter driver:	  <IDE>					 HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral	   : WDC WD1200BEVS-75LAT0			atapi Port 0 ID 0  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral	  : PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820		 atapi Port 1 ID 0  DMA: On 

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820   D:   CDRom0
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs: 
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE		   : 0
Physical memory	 : 1022MB (1046904kB)
Free physical memory: 684MB (700648kB)
Memory in use	   : 33 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry	: 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0) 

21.10.2006
===== Disc-Copy over image - 1st step : Copy to image  ...

4:47:44 PM	#1 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 39
	SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
	
4:47:44 PM	#2 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 540
	ReadBuffer-Pipe got 192KB of Memory
	
4:47:44 PM	#3 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
	Reader running
	
4:47:44 PM	#4 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 123
	Writer Image Recorder running
	
4:47:44 PM	#5 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 316
	DVD Track-Information from source disc:
	 Media Type: DVD-R
	  S01 T01 Con 0x14 Start		0 Len	12272 NWA	   -1 (gap	 0) Blank 0 Res 0 Dmg 0 Open Trk 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
	  S01 T02 Con 0x14 Start	12288 Len	  144 NWA	   -1 (gap	16) Blank 0 Res 0 Dmg 0 Open Trk 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
	  S01 T03 Con 0x14 Start	12448 Len  1737984 NWA	   -1 (gap	16) Blank 0 Res 0 Dmg 0 Open Trk 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
	  S01 T04 Con 0x14 Start  1750448 Len	   16 NWA	   -1 (gap	16) Blank 0 Res 0 Dmg 0 Open Trk 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
	
4:47:44 PM	#6 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 431
	Max -1 tracks of 4 allowed to copy
	 1:		0 -	12272 =	12272, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
	 2:	12288 -	12432 =	  144, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
	 3:	12448 -  1750432 =  1737984, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
	 4:  1750448 -  1750464 =	   16, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
	
4:47:44 PM	#7 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3443
	Turn on Track-At-Once, using DVD-R/RW media
	
4:47:44 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 300
	Last possible write address on media:  2621439 (582:32.39, 5119MB)
	Last address to be written:			1750463 (388:59.38, 3418MB)
	
4:47:44 PM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 312
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
4:47:44 PM	#10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 484
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
4:47:44 PM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 863
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - Data (mode 1))
		2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
		original disc pos #0 + 12288 (12288) = #12288/2:43.63
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12288 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - Data (mode 1))
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #12288 + 160 (160) = #12448/2:45.73
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 160 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 2: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (3 - Data (mode 1))
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #12448 + 1738000 (1738000) = #1750448/388:59.23
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1738000 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 3: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (4 - Data (mode 1))
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #1750448 + 16 (16) = #1750464/388:59.39
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 16 blocks [Image Recorder]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
4:47:44 PM	#12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1079
	Prepare recorder [Image Recorder] for write in TAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x40; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 4:								  Idx 0		 Idx 1	  Next Trk
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos			 0			 0	  25165824, ISRC ""
	   2: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	  25165824	  25165824	  25493504, ISRC ""
	   3: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	  25493504	  25493504	3584917504, ISRC ""
	   4: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	3584917504	3584917504	3584950272, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
			0 |  lead-in |   0 |	0x41 |		0 |		0 | 0x00
			0 |		1 |   0 |	0x41 |	12288 |	12288 | 0x00
			0 |		1 |   1 |	0x41 |	12288 |	12288 | 0x00
		12288 |		2 |   0 |	0x41 |	  160 |	12448 | 0x00
		12288 |		2 |   1 |	0x41 |	  160 |	12448 | 0x00
		12448 |		3 |   0 |	0x41 |  1738000 |  1750448 | 0x00
		12448 |		3 |   1 |	0x41 |  1738000 |  1750448 | 0x00
	  1750448 |		4 |   0 |	0x41 |	   16 |  1750464 | 0x00
	  1750448 |		4 |   1 |	0x41 |	   16 |  1750464 | 0x00
	  1750464 | lead-out |   1 |	0x41 |		0 |		0 | 0x00
	
4:47:44 PM	#13 Phase 120 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
	Creating the image for burning
	
4:47:44 PM	#14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
4:47:50 PM	#15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:47:50 PM	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 1 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #12288): write at #12288
	
4:47:50 PM	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:47:50 PM	#18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 2 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #12448): write at #12448
	
4:55:33 PM	#19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:55:33 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 3 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #1750448): write at #1750448
	
4:55:33 PM	#21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:55:33 PM	#22 Phase 121 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
	Creating Image completed successfully
	


===== Disc-Copy over image - 2nd step : Burn the image ...

4:55:38 PM	#1 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 540
	ReadBuffer-Pipe got 81920KB of Memory
	
4:55:38 PM	#2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
	Reader running
	
4:55:38 PM	#3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 123
	Writer D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820 running
	
4:55:38 PM	#4 IMAGEGEN -10 File ImageGen.cpp, Line 366
	Image was written as TAO.
	MTYP: Mediumtype =  DVD-R/RW (0x6)
	Image file name: <C:\Documents and Settings\Bryce\My Documents\TempImage.nrg>
	
4:55:38 PM	#5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3443
	Turn on Track-At-Once, using DVD-R/RW media
	
4:56:24 PM	#6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 300
	Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
	Last address to be written:			1750463 (388:59.38, 3418MB)
	
4:56:24 PM	#7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 312
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
4:56:24 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2851
	Recorder: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820, Media type: DVD-R
	 Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AM3
	 Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
	
4:56:24 PM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 484
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	Insert empty disc to write to.
		(Medium in drive: Unknown. Medium required by compilation: DVD-R/RW.)
	
4:56:24 PM	#10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 863
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - DVD-ROM)
		2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
		original disc pos #0 + 12288 (12288) = #12288/2:43.63
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12272 blocks [D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820]
	 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - DVD-ROM)
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #12288 + 160 (160) = #12448/2:45.73
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 144 blocks [D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820]
	 2: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (3 - DVD-ROM)
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #12448 + 1738000 (1738000) = #1750448/388:59.23
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1737984 blocks [D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820]
	 3: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (4 - DVD-ROM)
		2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
		original disc pos #1750448 + 16 (16) = #1750464/388:59.39
		not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
		-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 16 blocks [D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
4:56:24 PM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1079
	Prepare recorder [D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820] for write in TAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x40; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 4:								  Idx 0		 Idx 1	  Next Trk
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos			 0			 0	  25165824, ISRC ""
	   2: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	  25165824	  25165824	  25493504, ISRC ""
	   3: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	  25493504	  25493504	3584917504, ISRC ""
	   4: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos	3584917504	3584917504	3584950272, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
			0 |  lead-in |   0 |	0x41 |		0 |		0 | 0x00
			0 |		1 |   0 |	0x41 |	12288 |	12288 | 0x00
			0 |		1 |   1 |	0x41 |	12288 |	12288 | 0x00
		12288 |		2 |   0 |	0x41 |	  160 |	12448 | 0x00
		12288 |		2 |   1 |	0x41 |	  160 |	12448 | 0x00
		12448 |		3 |   0 |	0x41 |  1738000 |  1750448 | 0x00
		12448 |		3 |   1 |	0x41 |  1738000 |  1750448 | 0x00
	  1750448 |		4 |   0 |	0x41 |	   16 |  1750464 | 0x00
	  1750448 |		4 |   1 |	0x41 |	   16 |  1750464 | 0x00
	  1750464 | lead-out |   1 |	0x41 |		0 |		0 | 0x00
	
4:56:24 PM	#12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1149
	Removed 16 run-out blocks from end of track 1. Length: 12288 -> 12272.
	
4:56:24 PM	#13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1149
	Removed 16 run-out blocks from end of track 2. Length: 160 -> 144.
	
4:56:24 PM	#14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1149
	Removed 16 run-out blocks from end of track 3. Length: 1738000 -> 1737984.
	
4:56:24 PM	#15 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 39
	SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
	
4:56:24 PM	#16 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
	Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	
4:56:24 PM	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
4:56:24 PM	#18 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2969
	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession
	
4:56:24 PM	#19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3125
	Start write address at LBA 0
	DVD high compatibility mode: No
	
4:56:24 PM	#20 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 291
	D: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x24
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 
	Buffer x06551a00: Len x648
	
4:56:24 PM	#21 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9215
	---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 0.0 (0)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,	  Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,	Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:		 0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:	  0 h
	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:				 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:	 0 h
	 Media Specific [16..63]:
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
	
4:56:44 PM	#22 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1290
	16:56:44.437 - D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820 : Queue again later
	
4:56:57 PM	#23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:56:58 PM	#24 Text 0 File DVDMinusRW.cpp, Line 609
	EndTrack 1: Last written address was 12271
	
4:56:58 PM	#25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 1 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #12288): write at #12288
	
4:56:58 PM	#26 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2969
	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession
	
4:56:58 PM	#27 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3125
	Start write address at LBA 12288
	DVD high compatibility mode: No
	
4:56:58 PM	#28 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 291
	D: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x24
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 
	Buffer x06553600: Len x648
	
4:56:58 PM	#29 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9215
	---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 0.0 (0)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,	  Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,	Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:		 0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:	  0 h
	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:				 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:	 0 h
	 Media Specific [16..63]:
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
	
4:56:58 PM	#30 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion
	
4:57:00 PM	#31 Text 0 File DVDMinusRW.cpp, Line 609
	EndTrack 2: Last written address was 12431
	
4:57:00 PM	#32 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2746
	Verifying disc position of item 2 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #12448): write at #12448
	
4:57:00 PM	#33 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2969
	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession
	
4:57:00 PM	#34 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3125
	Start write address at LBA 12448
	DVD high compatibility mode: No
	
4:57:00 PM	#35 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 291
	D: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x24
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 
	Buffer x06555000: Len x648
	
4:57:00 PM	#36 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9215
	---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 0.0 (0)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,	  Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,	Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:		 0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:	  0 h
	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:				 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:	 0 h
	 Media Specific [16..63]:
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
		00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	................
	
4:57:00 PM	#37 SPTI -1023 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 291
	D: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1023)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x2C
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0x53 00 00 00 00 00 1A 85 00 00 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 2C 
	
4:57:00 PM	#38 CDR -1023 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2118
	Command sequence error
	D: PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820
	
4:57:00 PM	#39 TRANSFER -16 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2118
	Could not perform StartTrack
	
4:57:00 PM	#40 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
	Burn process failed at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
	

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=8.0.0.212 , size=2560 bytes, created 24/08/2006 10:47:00 PM 
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.33a, size=36528 bytes, created 24/08/2006 10:47:00 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option) 

4:57:00 PM #38 CDR -1023 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2118
Command sequence error
D: PHILIPS DVD±RW SDVD8820

4:57:00 PM #39 TRANSFER -16 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2118
Could not perform StartTrack

4:57:00 PM #40 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Burn process failed at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

Maybe you should try with better media.

Thanks for posting the log. Again, nothing obviously wrong in there. I see the Philips discs are made by CMC Magnetics (CMC MAG. AM3). This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but good firmware support for CMC discs can still be lacking on some drives and even if both your drive and the media are the same brand, that doesn’t have to mean they go very well together. Always verify your burns and run the Transfer Rate Test in CDSpeed (at least until you’re confident using a particular disc type).

Nero is probably the most widely used burning app, but if Roxio works better on your system, there’s no reason not to use that either. Nero 7.5.1.1 is the first of the 7 “Reloaded” series, I believe, and you can already update this to 7.5.7.0. Or you could try the final version of the previous series, which is 7.2.7.0 (always use the Clean Tool to uninstall your current version, before re-installing another).

Hope you’ll get it to work OK, even if it’s a little slower. :slight_smile:

Well I got my new drive from Dell today, looks like I got a NEC ND-6650A drive. Although I was first happy with the fact that I got a new drive, from the reading and searching I have done it doesn’t sound like this drive is very good either.

I guess once I get a chance to install it I will run a bunch of tests and see what I can come up with. I have seen in a few threads some quality tests done in Nero and I was wondering if anyone had a link to how to interpret/read those graphs.

-Bryce

At least you have a choice now and you can use the one that works best for the discs you’ve bought! You can read about interpreting scans in any of the Optical Drive reviews, which include a summary before showing the actual test results with different media. There’s also the Read first “stickies” in the Blank Media forum (Media Testing/Identifying Software-section). Unfortunately, neither drive you have is suitable for “Disc Quality” scanning. The best you can do with them is the previously mentioned “Transfer Rate Test” to check for any slowdowns in reading back the burned discs. For Disc Quality scanning you’ll need to have access to a scanning drive (BenQ, Lite-On, Plextor,…).

There’s one more thing I noticed in the log, which I’m not sure about if it will make a difference, but it can’t hurt to do the following:

Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession

Please turn off Multisession burning for CD and DVD when first starting up Nero Burning ROM as shown:


Really? I tried one before I read this post and it gave me some sort of results:

Are these results just garbage, or can I actually use them to try and distinguish better media from not so good media?

I read up some on interpreting the results I got, and it seems though because my max PI errors was below 280 and my max PI failures was below 32 these results aren’t bad. Does this sound right?

Unfortunately I won’t have time to play with my new drive for the next few days, I don’t think taking apart the computer I need to finish a few big projects for school is such a good idea until they are done. :slight_smile:

-Bryce

Hey, you’re lucky twice with two drives and disc quality scanning at your disposal now. Mind you, the new drive may scan as well, but NEC’s are such peculiar scanners that the results can be difficult to interpret and compare. As long as the scans are consistent (repeating them with the same disc), you can use them to compare your own burns though - but not necessarily with scans made with other drives posted here. Seeing as PI Failures go red above 8, maybe this drive uses a MediaTek chipset. The acceptable PIF level will be 4 and not 32 in this case. This scan looks really good up to 3GB, but mediocre to bad after that with the clumps of PI Failures. PI Errors are very good up to and still acceptable above 3GB (under 280 is correct here - but good scans will stay much lower than that).

Have fun scanning! :slight_smile:

Well, I got the Nec drive installed today, and I did a bit of playing around with it, but when I went to do a quality test it said the drive can’t do it, so my question is, would it be a fair comparison to put the Philips drive back in and test the discs that the Nec drive created to compare the quality of them? Most of the performance has been fairly close so far, but I am curious to see if one writes with bettter quality than the other.

-Bryce

Yes, of course! Best way to compare is to scan the discs on the same drive at the same speed. It can only be a couple screws to change them over? :slight_smile:

Thanks.

Yeah swapping drives is way easier than I thought, it is one screw, then the drive just slides out, and the new one slides in.

-Bryce