Purest way to backup your audio CD collection

Hi All,

I am interested in backing up my music CD collection in its purest form (HDD capacity is not a priority to me)

I’ve been ripping with EAC, but realized, why not just make an image of the CD (such as .bin)? But then I realized, if the cd is scratched, the image file will be corrupt as well. So…

Is there a .bin creator program that does error correction for (like EAC)?
If not, then is the best way to rip using EAC and then creating a .bin w/ cue using the wav files generated from rip?

Finally, what exactly is the difference between ripping a cd and copying a cd (i.e., create .bin image)… Pros? Cons?

Thanks in advance a bunch!

I don’t get involved with “what’s best”, but if you want bin/cue then just use Imgburn. If a CD us unreadable it doesn’t matter what program you use, does it?

Thanks for the quick reply Whappo!

Well my concern is little scratches/skips in the disc… Say all tracks are fine except one due to a scratch… I believe EAC detects this and corrects it when ripping… Can Imgburn do this “error correcting”?

I’m certainly no expert at this and maybe someone with more expertise will post, but “error correction” is done by the drive. EAC probably just reads a damaged sector several times and gets an average. I’m willing to bet that, depending on your drive, both Imgburn and EAC will produce an error free image 99% of the time.

[QUOTE=onessoong2;2450136]Hi All,

I am interested in backing up my music CD collection in its purest form (HDD capacity is not a priority to me)

I’ve been ripping with EAC, but realized, why not just make an image of the CD (such as .bin)? [/QUOTE] Why not use the standard .wav output? It is exactly the same quality as the original cd and you can play it in about any player.

If I remember correctly, EAC gives .WAV + .CUE for a whole disc :slight_smile:

Hi All,

Thanks again for you inputs!

> Why not use the standard .wav output? It is exactly the same quality as the original cd and you can play it in about any player.

  • prefer cd images, i.e., the exact replica of a cd not in terms of just music qual, but the data it contains…

> If I remember correctly, EAC gives .WAV + .CUE for a whole disc

  • yes I know! I was expecting an image file, but it gave one big wav file! I guess this is the only thing it supports?

[QUOTE=onessoong2;2450256]prefer cd images, i.e., the exact replica of a cd not in terms of just music qual, but the data it contains…[/quote] The .wav files EAC produces are 100% exact (including standard hardware error correction that your normal cd player also does 10k times per seond) the same audio as was on the original. If you want cd copies just use any burning program.

I was expecting an image file, but it gave one big wav file! I guess this is the only thing it supports?
EAC produces .wav and then uses converters to convert it to .flac or .mp3. .Flac gives lossless audio compression (this is no quality loss whatsoever, so also 100%) and .mp3 gives lossy compression (it compresses and strips out anything the human ear can’t hear anyway, with a certain bit quality stream)

Hi,

Basically all I want is a program that does error correction due to scratches, etc… in creating an image file (.bin/cue) from an audio cd…

I understand EAC give the same bit for bit qual, in wav, but I am searching for a way to do exact bit-for-bit image creation from audio cd…

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=onessoong2;2450274], but I am searching for a way to do exact bit-for-bit image creation from audio cd…
[/QUOTE]See what Perfect Rip can do for you: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f52/p-e-r-f-e-c-t-r-i-p-ultimate-cd-g-imager-ripper-199890/

Michael

What is perfect rip?? Where do I download this? Does this create bin/cue of audio cds with error correction?

Thanks in advance!

yes I know! I was expecting an image file, but it gave one big wav file! I guess this is the only thing it supports?

Just use EAC as recommended… Action–>COPY IMAGE and Create CUE sheet… Don’t be discouraged, just b/c you don’t see audio[B].img[/B]…Open the CUE in a burning app and burn a copy…

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_CUE_Sheets#Single_WAV_File_-A.K.A.22Copy_Image.22

[QUOTE=t0nee1;2450417]Just use EAC as recommended… Action–>COPY IMAGE and Create CUE sheet… Don’t be discouraged, just b/c you don’t see audio[B].img[/B]…Open the CUE in a burning app and burn a copy…

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_CUE_Sheets#Single_WAV_File_-A.K.A.22Copy_Image.22[/QUOTE]
Wow, thanks…
But I don’t understand this, this is an image file? it seems to have an extension of .wav instead of .bin…

Wow, thanks…
But I don’t understand this, this is an image file? it seems to have an extension of .wav instead of .bin…

http://xs.vc/eac/Burn/burn_single.html
Take note the use of the word IMAGE…

[QUOTE=mciahel;2450282]See what Perfect Rip can do for you: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f52/p-e-r-f-e-c-t-r-i-p-ultimate-cd-g-imager-ripper-199890/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=onessoong2;2450406]What is perfect rip?? Where do I download this? Does this create bin/cue of audio cds with error correction?[/QUOTE]Just read the thread I supplied.

Michael

[QUOTE=t0nee1;2450438]http://xs.vc/eac/Burn/burn_single.html
Take note the use of the word IMAGE…[/QUOTE]
Hi,

So it seems like I have to do a test & copy in order to check if the read crc and test crc match (for perfect rip!) and then generate image, correct?

There’s no option in EAC for test & copy image like test & copy uncompressed?

Thanks sooo much again!

Yes, Test and Copy Image and Create CUE sheet…
Secure rips are not necessarily error-free…

http://dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm

Here’s a rip log I just ran with EAC’s T&C in ‘Burst Mode’ with Accuraterip…

John Mellencamp.txt (2.71 KB)

[QUOTE=t0nee1;2450745]Yes, Test and Copy Image and Create CUE sheet…
Secure rips are not necessarily error-free…

http://dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm

Here’s a rip log I just ran with EAC’s T&C in ‘Burst Mode’ with Accuraterip…[/QUOTE]
How accurate is burst mode?
Secure mode takes quite long…
I have a lot of scratched cds I think…
Is there a why to fix these? Besides cleaning the disc of course…

There are polishing products on the market, maybe someone can recommend a good one, and places like Blockbuster will polish a disk.
There are drives that do error correction and read dirty/scratched disks much better than others. You might want to check out some reviews and test results of drives here at CDFreaks. If you have a lot of damaged disks it might be worth considering a new drive. Just a thought.

How accurate is burst mode?

“Using T&C or AR(accuraterip) verify [I]is[/I] secure…“
Did you actually read the link I provided, specifically the AccurateRip section?..
[B]
[B]”[/B]AccurateRip[/B]
Overtime AccurateRip can become like a wise-friend, someone you can rely on and trust. It works by storing peoples ripping results and comparing your result with theirs. For example 100 people rip Madonnas latest CD, of those 100 twenty have errors, the other 80 all have identical rips. If you were to rip your Madonna CD there are 2 possibilities, AccurateRip would report that 80 other people agree with your rip (confidence of 80), or that 80 disagree if your had errors. What are the odds of 80 people agreeing with your rip, but they really had a bad rip (ie those 80 people had bad rips which happened to give the same check code)? the odds are 4 billion x 4 billion (repeated 80 times), an astronomical number. [B]If more than 3 people agree with your rip, it is 100% certainty it is accurate[/B][B]”[/B]

Secure mode takes quite long

So try Burst mode as suggested…

I have a lot of scratched cds I think…
Is there a why to fix these? Besides cleaning the disc of course

Well, try cleaning them, try another drive as suggested by Whappo…I’ve had a few scratched CD’s that EAC wouldn’t rip, and I used dBpoweramp which did…Try it out ( 21-day trial)…