Problem with NEC-6500A and Maxell ( Prodisc ) 16x Media

Hi All,

As you’ll see I have an NEC-6500A ( Dell brand ) flashed with the Liggy/Dee RPC-1 firmware v2.81 and it’s been working fine…until I got my new Maxell ( Prodisc ) 16x DVD-R discs. I cannot get any program to write to these disks using this DVD drive ( I have several identical drives to test on so it’s not just MY drive. My Sony DRU-500A with Dangerous Brothers RPC FW v2.0h also suffers the same problem as the 6500A ). I successfully burned the 16x discs with Nero ( v6.6.1.4 ) on my Plextor PX-716UF ( Firmware v1.10 ) at the full 16x speed without issue. If I use Nero to attempt a burn on the 6500A it either cannot do it and returns an incorrect media type or it starts to burn at 2.4x and stops with the same error just 30 seconds to a minute later. I have had no issues burning the Maxell 8x ( Ritek ) media at 4x in this same drive ( 6500A ). I can burn the 16x media in a DELL/NEC 6650A ( firmware v102C ) at 8x without a problem.

I ran DVD identifier to see what the differences were between both media types ( 8x and 16x ) on both of my drives ( 6500A and the 6650A ). The only thing I noticed was that when testing the 6500A with the 16x media, DVD identifier could not return any write speed descriptors. So my question is…do you think that this is a Media problem or a hardware problem. I’d love to hear from Liggy/Dee since they are the Firmware/Media gods !!!

Below is both DVD identifier logs from both media tested on both drives…

Any help is always appreciated !!!

Hack the planet !!!

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THE 6500A with the 8x Maxell ( Ritek ) media that works fine…


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG05]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG05]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD±RW ND-6500A - [FW 2.81] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:RITEKG05]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5408 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2704 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 1764 kBps ( 1.27x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 b6 0e 11 98 9a 80 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 35 00 00 00 00 00 .RITEKG…05…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 08 12 11 98 9a 80 00 …
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 03 17 0a 0b 09 02 00 …
0040 : 09 96 05 0c 0b 60 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 …`…
0050 : 0b 04 1d 17 b8 88 75 00 0c 89 ac 98 81 00 10 00 …u…
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 09 24 37 2f 29 1e 00 …$7/)…
0070 : 0f 50 17 27 19 89 b5 00 10 88 84 00 04 00 04 00 .P.’…
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 09 31 3b 33 2b 1d 00 …1;3+…
0090 : 13 50 1d 2b 1f 97 b5 00 14 88 84 00 04 00 04 00 .P.+…
00a0 : 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %…&…

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THE 6500A with the 16x Maxell ( Prodisc ) media that dosen’t work at all.


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:ProdiscF02]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Prodisc Technology Inc.]
Manufacturer ID : [ProdiscF02]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD±RW ND-6500A - [FW 2.81] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:ProdiscF02]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
** WARNING : Drive Did Not Report Any Write Speed Descriptors

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 1764 kBps ( 1.27x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 13 87 88 90 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 50 72 6f 64 69 73 00 04 63 46 30 32 00 00 00 .Prodis…cF02…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0f 15 87 88 90 00 …
0030 : 07 a8 82 00 20 00 00 00 08 06 16 10 14 0f 0b 00 … …
0040 : 09 94 07 0d 0b 88 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 …
0050 : 0b 09 1e 17 a7 89 85 00 0c b7 89 02 00 20 02 00 … …
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 0b 23 53 4e 31 33 00 …#SN13.
0070 : 0f 70 23 31 14 88 b5 00 10 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .p#1…
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 0b 2b 53 4e 31 33 00 …+SN13.
0090 : 13 70 23 31 14 88 b5 00 14 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .p#1…
00a0 : 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 09 41 53 4d 32 29 00 …ASM2).
00b0 : 17 60 19 27 0d 6a b5 00 18 ec c0 00 00 00 00 00 ..'.j.......... 00c0 : 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1a 09 53 59 51 31 2d 00 ..........SYQ1-. 00d0 : 1b 60 1b 29 11 6a b5 00 1c ec c0 00 00 00 00 00 ..).j…
00e0 : 1d 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %…&…

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6650A with the 8x Maxell ( Ritek ) media that works fine.


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG05]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG05]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD±RW ND-6650A - [FW 102C] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:RITEKG05]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 3528 kBps ( 2.55x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 1764 kBps ( 1.27x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 b6 0e 11 98 9a 80 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 35 00 00 00 00 00 .RITEKG…05…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 08 12 11 98 9a 80 00 …
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 03 17 0a 0b 09 02 00 …
0040 : 09 96 05 0c 0b 60 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 …`…
0050 : 0b 04 1d 17 b8 88 75 00 0c 89 ac 98 81 00 10 00 …u…
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 09 24 37 2f 29 1e 00 …$7/)…
0070 : 0f 50 17 27 19 89 b5 00 10 88 84 00 04 00 04 00 .P.’…
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 09 31 3b 33 2b 1d 00 …1;3+…
0090 : 13 50 1d 2b 1f 97 b5 00 14 88 84 00 04 00 04 00 .P.+…
00a0 : 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %…&…

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THE 6650A with the 16x Maxell ( Prodisc ) Media that writes fine at 8x.


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:ProdiscF02]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Prodisc Technology Inc.]
Manufacturer ID : [ProdiscF02]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD±RW ND-6650A - [FW 102C] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:ProdiscF02]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 3528 kBps ( 2.55x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 1764 kBps ( 1.27x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 13 87 88 90 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 50 72 6f 64 69 73 00 04 63 46 30 32 00 00 00 .Prodis…cF02…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0f 15 87 88 90 00 …
0030 : 07 a8 82 00 20 00 00 00 08 06 16 10 14 0f 0b 00 … …
0040 : 09 94 07 0d 0b 88 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 …
0050 : 0b 09 1e 17 a7 89 85 00 0c b7 89 02 00 20 02 00 … …
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 0b 23 53 4e 31 33 00 …#SN13.
0070 : 0f 70 23 31 14 88 b5 00 10 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .p#1…
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 0b 2b 53 4e 31 33 00 …+SN13.
0090 : 13 70 23 31 14 88 b5 00 14 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .p#1…
00a0 : 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 09 41 53 4d 32 29 00 …ASM2).
00b0 : 17 60 19 27 0d 6a b5 00 18 ec c0 00 00 00 00 00 ..'.j.......... 00c0 : 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1a 09 53 59 51 31 2d 00 ..........SYQ1-. 00d0 : 1b 60 1b 29 11 6a b5 00 1c ec c0 00 00 00 00 00 ..).j…
00e0 : 1d 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %…&…

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