Problem burning tyg02

I don’t know what’s wrong with my f’ing media but this time here’s the problem, since I had problems burning at 8x (which I never had before with tyg02) I tried burning video files at 4x and it burned perfectly (the device buffer didn’t go below 96%). So I thought that was the problem, but now I can’t even read the disc!! I know the video files are good because I opened them in mpc and I followed these instructions to burn with imgburn like I always do: http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=4632
my dvd player doesn’t recognize the dvd and my computer won’t even open it! it gives me this error: d:\ is not accessible. Incorrect function. :a
I’m fed up with this so I’ll go buy a pack of verbatims to see if the media is really my problem, but now I’m wondering, I’ve done a bunch of copies at 8x with the device buffer going nuts… should I reburn them or since I haven’t had any problems reading them so far it should be fine?

Most of times these problems are due to a bad burned media or to a poor quality disc.

Are you sure that your TY discs are genuine? There are a lot of fake TY discs too bad :frowning:

If the Verbatim discs will be readable, then it’s probable that your TY are fakes.

Regarding the buffer going crazy, have you tried to defrag your hard disc? Do you run other softwares during the burn?

thanks for the reply
my disc doesn’t need a defrag and I never run anything while I burn, so I know it’s not a computer usage problem (I even turn off the screesaver lol)
I tested the burst rate of my drive and it’s 20mb, could that be the problem? dma is enabled and it’s plugged in the 2nd ide channel

20 MB is not the very best, but it should allow 8x burnings.

Probably is not related with your problem, but do you have a 80 wire IDE cable? What burner do you have?

I have a pioneer dvr-109 v1.58 and I don’t have an 80 wire ide cable
can I tell from looking at the numbers on the disc if it’s a fake? because looking at it it looks genuine except for the lack of glue on the edge and they do scan as tyg02…

Yes, you can see if your discs are genuine based on numbers. See here for more details

Pioneer drives are a bit picky about cables, and want a 80 wire one. Try to buy a new cable and see if this solve :slight_smile:

thanks
I just scanned a burned disc with nero speed and at 8x it seems it takes around 70% or my cpu usage… I guess that’s not good at all :confused:

hmm the hub stamper code is gg000276 but in reverse, so I guess it’s legit

ok so it’s definitely not the discs…
I started by changing the 40 to an 80 wire cable, it didn’t change anything… than I switched the burner to the 1st ide channel as the master and hd to the 2nd ide channel
the hd stayed to dma mode 4 but the burner did change from 2 to 4! except I can’t see a difference in burning speed :frowning: the burst rate stayed at 20
it seems my problem is I can’t burn at a higher speed than 4x, I bought a pack of 16x verbatim and they won’t even start burning at 8x but at 4x they burn fine
is burning this 16x media at 4x affecting the quality?

It seems strange to me that the Pioneer 109 is not able to burn Verbatim discs faster than 4x.

Running at UDMA-4 is good, but the burst rate should be higher than 20 MB :frowning:

Do you have the original firmware installed? Maybe you can try to flash the drive again or check if there is a newer firmware available.

Another test is to install the drive on a different computer. In this way it’s possible to exclude some software issue in your machine.

What burning software are you using? Do you have softwares like Alcohol or Daemon Tools installed? I don’t know details, but I read somewhere that if wrongly configured these softwares can give problems.

Another possible cause of slowings is the hard disc: if your HDD is too slow, it is not able to send data to the burner enough fast to allow burnings at speeds higher than 4x.

yup it seems strange to me too, my guess is it’s getting old and tired maybe?
I tried reinstalling the latest firmware but it is already installed
I have daemon but it is disabled so it shouldn’t be a problem
I reinstalled both imgburn and nero 5.5.10.56 and they both do the same thing, if I do a test burn it’s gonna start really slow (around 0.5x) than stop and slowly restart burning, as closer as it gets to the end it is going faster
I get an average of 6x and a maximum of 9x but when I try to actually burn a dvd at 8x it doesn’t start at all, it gets stuck at writing the lead-in, restarting - stopping -restarting - stopping… when I burn at 4x it starts slow but the speed gets constant pretty fast and the device buffer isn’t going nuts like when I do a test at 8x
I’ve pretty much exhausted all the possibilities I think except the hd but I really doubt that’s the problem, I will do a burst rate test and post the results later if it can help you help me
thanks!

Try to burn (using the simulation mode to not waste a DVD) a disc with the “Create disc” test of cd-dvd speed. in this way we can see what happen during the burn :slight_smile:

I’m not sure that nero5 is able to manage that burner: it’s too old. Do you have latest version of ImgBurn?

I do have the latest imgburn version
is that what you wanted to see? sorry I’m a real newbie with this program…


Yes, it is :slight_smile:

From the image I can see that the drive can burn with no problems at all at 8x speed, and the buffer show no fluctuations.

Can you run again the test selecting a higher speed?

Moreover, can you run the test creating an ISO file on your computer first (anything you like is good, even random files, because in simulation mode the disc will be not written) and check both the “Burn Image” and “Simulate” options? In this way also the HDD is tested and we can see how the buffer behaves during the burn :slight_smile:

it’s the harddisk it seems :frowning:
and it’s not the cable, I just put a new 80 wire cable and plugged it in the 1st ide channel as the master, what could be wrong with it?


I just got the latest nero 8 and did a simulation too if it can help:
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 8.1.1.0
Internal Version: 8, 1, 1, 0

Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> Version: 1.58 - HA 1 TA 0 - 8.1.1.0
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2000kB
Bus Type : default
CD-ROM: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 >Version: 1.58 - HA 1 TA 0 - 8.1.1.0
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6E040L0 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 D: CdRom0

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 40894464 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 255MB (261560kB)
Free physical memory: 119MB (121948kB)
Memory in use : 53 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

9.10.2007
ISO compilation
5:38:03 PM #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 450
LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

5:38:04 PM #2 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6671
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : TRUE
Simulate : TRUE
Write : FALSE
Finalize CD : FALSE
Multisession : TRUE
Multisession type: : Start multisession
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

5:38:04 PM #3 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3347
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

5:38:04 PM #4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3530
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

5:38:04 PM #5 Text 0 File FilesystemSettingsValidator.cpp, Line 142
FS Settings: using validator 'CUDFSettingsValidatorDVD’
ParamMode = ‘automatic’, changing UDF partition type from ‘physical’ to 'physical’
Changing UDF revision from ‘1.02’ to ‘1.02’

5:38:04 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 307
Last possible write address on media: 2297887 (510:38.37, 4488MB)
Last address to be written: 865727 (192:23.02, 1690MB)

5:38:04 PM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 319
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

5:38:04 PM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2972
Recorder: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer ID: <MCC 03> <RG20 >
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

5:38:04 PM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 493
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

5:38:04 PM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 785
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 865728 (865728) = #865728/192:23.3
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 865728 blocks [D: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109]
--------------------------------------------------------------

5:38:10 PM #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 986
Prepare [D: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc not fixated
Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 1773010944, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start|___Track|Idx|CtrlAdr|Size|NWA|RecDep
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 865728 | 0 | 0x00
865728 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00

5:38:10 PM #12 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 240
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

5:38:10 PM #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4316
Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-No (<64KB)

5:38:10 PM #14 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Caching of files started

5:38:10 PM #15 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4435
Cache writing successful.

5:38:10 PM #16 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Caching of files completed

5:38:10 PM #17 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Speed measurement started

5:38:10 PM #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2735
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

5:38:10 PM #19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 268
Pipe memory size 590400

5:39:48 PM #20 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
<D: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 865728 (D35C0h), length 0 blocks

5:39:48 PM #21 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Speed measurement completed: 12.8x (17,740 KB/s)

5:39:48 PM #22 Phase 32 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Simulation started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)

5:39:58 PM #23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2735
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

5:39:58 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3245
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession

5:39:58 PM #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3401
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

5:39:58 PM #26 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 181
CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x24
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 24
Buffer x07c8e300: Len x648

5:39:58 PM #27 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10026
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 2.1 (33)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Revision number of maximum recording speed: 6.0
Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
Revision number table of recording speed: 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.0 5.0 - -
Class: 0, Extended part version: 33
Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 0 h
Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 0 h
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5:39:58 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 268
Pipe memory size 40868800

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5:43:58 PM #129 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
<D: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 865728 (D35C0h), length 0 blocks

5:44:01 PM #130 Phase 133 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Writing short lead-out

5:44:01 PM #131 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3803
EndDAO: Last written address was 865727 (D35BFh)Close track 1, ret: 0
Close Session/Border, function 2, track: 3, finalize disc: NO, ret: 0

5:44:09 PM #132 Phase 33 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1764
Simulation completed successfully at 16x (22,160 KB/s)

5:44:09 PM #133 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 287
SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME

5:44:09 PM #134 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 11276
DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed

5:44:09 PM #135 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 450
UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

Existing drivers:

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

Get more RAM and a newer drive

^I used to burn at 8x with the same burner on a 533mhz celeron with 128mb of ram, so I’m pretty sure that’s not the issue. I was using win98 se lite though, now xp pro lite.

How can my hdd be plugged in dma mode 4 and never get even close to transfering at 66mb :confused: