True, but the burns aren't consistent. Sometimes I'll burn at 8x and it scans and Ill get some real bad PIFs like 20 or sometimes more and I've created a coaster. Most of the time I'll know if its a bad burn because if my drive doesn't spin up properly in the start up 10 secs spin of the quality test, its because there's some bad errors. Sometimes a bad disc will show up to 80 PIFs but if i rescan the disc, and it spins up better (in the 10 sec start up spin) then it'll report more like 10-20 PIFs on the exact same disc and speed. Either way, it is a 2nd Gen burner, and it's been really good to me, but now it's got a partner, the LH-20A1S My new YUDEN000 T02 (which I ordered from blankmedia.ca yesterday) arrived today, and I didn't pay for faster shipping O_o, they're quick. Anyways, I'm going to see how my 832S likes the them. But as for the TYG02, they're unwelcome in my 832S. The only firmware I didn't try on my this burner (Originally an 802S) is the 812s firmware, which outdated and thus don't think it'll matter. All is good now, since my new Litey likes 'em.