Problem Burning DVD Backup to DVD +R Media

Hello All,

I have ripped a copy of a movie (“Sideways”) to my hard drive (using DVD Shrink & DVD Decryter), but I can only burn it to DVD -R discs, and these won’t play in any of my DVD players. They will, of course, play on my PC. When I attempt to burn to DVD +R media, Nero 6 does just enough of a burn to create a coaster, then locks up and I have to restart my computer to eject the disc. I have not had this problem backing up any other DVD’s to DVD +R media.

Computer System / OS: AMD Duron 1.3 GHz (home-built), 512 M DDR Ram, 60 gig WD HDD, Windows 98 SE

Burner: Optorite model#: DD1603 --Specifications:
Write Speed: 16X DVD+R, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD+R9, 4X DVD-RW, 40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: Internal IDE/ATAPI
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP

Media: Maxell DVD +R - 8X

Ripping Software : DVDShrink, DVD Decryter
Burning Software: Nero 6 - Ultra

Since I own the original of this DVD, I don’t HAVE to back it up, but I prefer to watch movies more than once, and would rather use a backup to preserve the original’s condition.

TW

Your media is either maxell002 or ricohjpnr02. Not the best media! Try it with some better quality +r media and see if you have the same problem. Just checked, and if you have the maxell002 media code, these aren’t bad, but the ricohjpnr02’s, are low quality media… Check your media code.

If the discs can burn (coaster free) in another dvd burner (via family, friend, etc.), I’d say that the discs are “OK” to use. It may then be something about your computer/burner and not the discs. If you get coasters regardless of a different burner, errr…maybe you have a bad batch.

Maybe nero is the problem… try burning with Dvd decrypter…

I was dead wrong on the discs. They are MEMOREX CD +R, 8X. Made in Taiwan. NOT Maxell.

DVD Identifier returned this info:


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [E01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
[Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]

But I have successfully burned DVD backups of other Movies using these discs (FWIW).

TW

Keep trying, you will find a good one in the stack. The Memorex that is Made In India is pretty good stuff (+R).The Cmc Mag stuff isn’t very good.

Re-do with shrink, but set the shrink options to create an .iso and burn with decrypter. And tick the box in the shrink burning options to burn as DVD-ROM.

I also have problem burning to couple of brands of media. I scaned diskd with DVD Identifier. Under Drive Capabilities I’m getting something in red and warning. Can any of you gurus explain? :bow:

Descriptor #5 = 2822 KBPS ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

Here are scans of three types of media I’m using:


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-002-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [002]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A [FW 1.U9]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+RW DVD+R DVD+R-DL
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-RW DVD-R
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:MCC-002-000]

** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Properly Supported By Some Drives
Descriptor #1 = 8467 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 KBPS ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 KBPS ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 KBPS ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 KBPS ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-003-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [003]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A [FW 1.U9]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+RW DVD+R DVD+R-DL
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-RW DVD-R
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:MCC-003-000]

** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 16620 KBPS (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Properly Supported By Some Drives
Descriptor #1 = 8467 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 KBPS ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 KBPS ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 KBPS ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 KBPS ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R02-003]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Ricoh Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R02]
Product Revision : [003]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A [FW 1.U9]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+RW DVD+R DVD+R-DL
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-RW DVD-R
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R02-003]

** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 16620 KBPS (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Properly Supported By Some Drives
Descriptor #1 = 8467 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 KBPS ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 KBPS ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 KBPS ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 KBPS ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

Thats pretty strange. The media that it seems to be is pretty good. Try downloading the free ver of dvdinfo pro and see how it identifies it.
http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
What kind of drive is it and have you updated the firmware recentlly?

Hello All,

I am posting this followup about my problem because I think what I have discovered is important to readers of this (newbie) forum.

When I first started copying DVD’s just a few months ago, I used the cheapest media I could find at Staples, which happened to be their store “brand”. Using Staples’ DVD +R (4X) I made thirty (3 ten packs) coaster-free backups which played back flawlessly, using DVD Shrink’s seamless interface with Nero 6. After I used the first 30 discs, I went back to Staples and found Sony DVD +R (4X) on sale for less than Staples’ store brand. I bought the Sony media thinking I would get even better results (ignoring the obvious “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”). I got 30% coasters and rough playback – skipping and occasional lockups on both of my set-top DVD players. On my next visit to Staples, I found the Memorex DVD +R (8X) on sale for the same price as the Staples store brand. Again ignoring “if it ain’t broke, etc.” I bought the Memorex. I used the whole ten pack and got 60% coasters (although the playback was perfect on the non-coasters). It was the problem with this ten pack (to which I could not copy “Sideways”) that prompted my initial post.

I have since gone back to Staples and bought another ten pack of their store brand. I have made five backups with no coasters. These backups have played flawlessly in my DVD players and those of a couple of friends who have borrowed the backups for viewing.

My conclusion, based on this anecdotal evidence, is that, on my computer, Staples store brand DVD +R’s are much better than either the Sony or Memorex, and “IF IT AIN’T BROKE, DON’T FIX IT.”
FWIW

TW

Good News, however, without me going to Staples and purchasing the DVD’s, have you run DVD Identifier?? If not would you please and give us the Manufacture of the Staples DVD.

Thanks … good info.

"[I]Good News, however, without me going to Staples and purchasing the DVD’s, have you run DVD Identifier?? If not would you please and give us the Manufacture of the Staples DVD.

Thanks … good info."[/I]

Here are the DVD Identifier Data


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:OPTODISC-OR4-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Optodisc Technology Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [OPTODISC]
Media Type ID : [OR4]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x]
[Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

TW

I got today different brand of media. I got DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000 under a FUJI brand, made in Japan ( on sale this week at bestbuy 19.99 for 50 )
After extensive reading in the media section of this forum it seems everybody likes this brand.
I try to burn and post results later.

I scanned one of them with DVD Identifier and under Drive Capabilities I’m getting simular message. Still don’t know if this is normal.
First line of the second section identifies my drive and firmware.

Here is the scan:


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A [FW 1.UA]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+RW DVD+R DVD+R-DL
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-RW DVD-R
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]

** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 22160 KBPS (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 16620 KBPS (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Properly Supported By Some Drives
Descriptor #1 = 8467 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 KBPS ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 KBPS ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 KBPS ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 KBPS ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

Acording to videohelp the staples 8x-r are cmcmagae1, the 8x+r are MBIPG101R04 (mosier bauer which seems to be pretty good media though kind of new on the market in the quantities we are starting to see). All the slower stuff is optodisk.
The important thing to remember is there is no best media. There is crap media but among the many good medias, it’s only good if your firmware and drive like it. As we all know, drives can be very diffrent (two drives of the same brand and model with the same firmware may not like the same media). The important thing to do is find media that works well with your drive and keep using it. With a little experimentation and firmware changing you can even get several medias that work well. What works best for one person isn’t always going to work best for another.

ripit,

Sound advice. What I didn’t realize was that in initially making a price decision (buying the Staples DVD +R 4x media) I had accidentally found the best combination for my setup. I had to make a few coasters using other media to come to that realization. I am obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Burning at 4X (or even 2.4 X) is not a problem for me. The burn takes less time than the rip even at 2.4X, and with the more or less one-click DVD Shrink / Nero 6 interface, using the Staples 4X media, I can just start the process and walk away from the machine for about an hour while the magic gets done.

Thank you all for your input.

TW

I have this drive too and found that any disk + or - would not work in my 4 year old dvd player (LG) or any player of said age.

But ALL + and - disks work in players much younger, such as next doors (Pioneer).

So at a guess i would say that new players have a better reading head.

Just update the player to something modern or a Home dvd recorder/player, but be aware some don’t read all formats or burn all formats.

Cheers