President obama

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#21

Inclandestin,

You raise very legitimate issues and I agree, but only to a point. I have often said, perhaps 4 years of Obama is exactly what this country needs to get back on track.
We have elected the most socialistically inclined president in the history of this country. How his presidency will proceed is yet to be determined.
He is, afterall, not a dictator and he will not enjoy a super majority in the Senate.

Re: Reid and Pelosi, I believe they will be shown…even more so… to be the political hacks that they are. I don’t believe they will be power players in Obama’s administration. They will be visible, but as ineffective as they are now.
It’ll be interesting to watch Hillary.

I remain hopeful with this administration, but not optimistically expectant. I don’t believe Obama will rise to the same level of incompetence demonstrated by Carter. For one thing, I don’t perceive Barack as weak and Carter has always shown himself to be spineless.

[QUOTE=midders;2152111]…I’d just like to say that it’s nice to see that you’ve got a president who can find a coherent sentence without using both hands and a flashlight!..
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LMAO,
So true!


#22

[QUOTE=midders;2152111]Don’t know much about Obama myself, but I caught his victory speech last night (this morning over here!) and I’d just like to say that it’s nice to see that you’ve got a president who can find a coherent sentence without using both hands and a flashlight![/QUOTE]

You haven’t heard Obama speak without a teleprompter then. It is almost unbearable. Every other word is “ummmm” and “uhhh”. I’ll take a good decision maker over a good speaker any day. Not that I am morally equating him with Obama but Hitler could give one hell of a speech too. Reading a speech is easy. Leading a country well in the hard cold day to day realities of the world is the hard part. :wink:

[QUOTE=midders;2152111]As to the rest, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, but if he meant anything that he said in his speech then good luck to him.[/QUOTE]

You won’t have to wait long. The country expects results and Democrats are going to be in for a rough coming year if they try to deliver just 25% of what they promised us. Think about it. They promised tax cuts to 95% of us, a balanced budget, a trillion dollars in spending on NEW entitlement programs, increased funding for EXISTING entitlement programs and a strong economy. NO ONE can deliver that. I predict the only thing we will get from that long list of promises is the trillion dollars in new spending.

[QUOTE=zap em;2152104]INCLAN,
Well said that’s exactly my point. Those of us old enough to remember JIMMY CARTER,and especially
those of us who were in the AIR FORCE. We pretty much know that PRESIDENT OBAMA is a snake oil salesman. I think the anger with BUSH,and what pushed independents to vote for BARRACK was anger over the stock market and the economy. We had two democratic PRESIDENTS the past recent decades who all promised hope/change for the common man and like you said none of their programs worked.[/QUOTE]

You have a good point. Many people don’t didn’t experience the disastrous Carter years. There is a good chance they will experience something similar and we will call them the Obama years. History does seem to have a habit of repeating itself.


#23

UTR
You are right on the money.
To bad the PRESIDENT is going to take it all
ZAP.:doh::bigsmile:


#24

[QUOTE=zap em;2152148]UTR
You are right on the money.
To bad the PRESIDENT is going to take it all
ZAP.:doh::bigsmile:[/QUOTE]

The Democrats were piling all the bad for the past eight years on Bush even when he didn’t deserve it. Obama will get the same treatment and I don’t want to hear any excuses from him, Pelosi, Reid or any of their cronies. You know the old saying, “What goes around, comes around.”


#25

Speak Your Piece

I did not vote for him. I opposed him with every fiber in me. Now he is my President and I will honor him and give him every benefit of the doubt to lead America.

The point of this opinion post is to say that America has spoken and we have elected a new President.

Last night I listened to the “Magnificent Words” from the President Elect, Barack Obama.

Now is the time to support him and to see if he is going to be the President to ALL of America and try to make his promises reality.

I believe that every American must honor this man and give him the opportunity to show America what his plans are to get America back on track. (Which I thought both he and John McCain would have done). A lot that has been spoken about him is that he is BLACK. Let’s move on and get beyond that crap and deal with him as an American.

Two points I want to make from a personal stand point. As a professional Soldier, I served with thousands of men who were black, brown, yellow and red. Because I served for 20 plus years, I advised men of every race and religion all over the world from many countries around the world to fight oppression, and I served for men of great distinction who were blacker than President Obama.

I am asking my fellow Americans to give this man a chance to lead our Country, to support him.

As a Professional Soldier, race meant nothing to me; everyone in my world was GREEN. My Commander In Chief was my leader and I was honored to follow him, I hope all America Generals will advise President Obama and that they will give him a chance to see how he is going to Command our Military.

I want to mention one more thing, John McCain is an incredibly honorable man and a true American Hero and he displayed that last night in his speech to America.


#27

[QUOTE=~KIPPER~;2152168]Speak Your Piece

I did not vote for him. I opposed him with every fiber in me. Now he is my President and I will honor him and give him every benefit of the doubt to lead America.

The point of this opinion post is to say that America has spoken and we have elected a new President.

Last night I listened to the “Magnificent Words” from the President Elect, Barack Obama.

Now is the time to support him and to see if he is going to be the President to ALL of America and try to make his promises reality.

I believe that every American must honor this man and give him the opportunity to show America what his plans are to get America back on track. (Which I thought both he and John McCain would have done). A lot that has been spoken about him is that he is BLACK. Let’s move on and get beyond that crap and deal with him as an American.

Two points I want to make from a personal stand point. As a professional Soldier, I served with thousands of men who were black, brown, yellow and red. Because I served for 20 plus years, I advised men of every race and religion all over the world from many countries around the world to fight oppression, and I served for men of great distinction who were blacker than President Obama.

I am asking my fellow Americans to give this man a chance to lead our Country, to support him.

As a Professional Soldier, race meant nothing to me; everyone in my world was GREEN. My Commander In Chief was my leader and I was honored to follow him, I hope all America Generals will advise President Obama and that they will give him a chance to see how he is going to Command our Military.

I want to mention one more thing, John McCain is an incredibly honorable man and a true American Hero and he displayed that last night in his speech to America.[/QUOTE]
Well said Kipper and thank you for all that you gave and continue to give…:flower:


#28

Kipper, Obama’s race meant very little to the overwhelming majority of voters. Very, very few voted against him because he is black and anyone that claims or insinuates otherwise is just dead wrong. As for supporting him, I can’t give that support if he is looking to promote socialist policies. It isn’t our responsibility to give our support blindly but it is the politician’s responsibility to earn it. IMO, giving a political figure blind support is how we have generated some of the worst calamities in human history. Obama has made many promises and stated he is not a socialist. I will hold him to those promises and statements. If he holds up his end I will support him.


#30

[QUOTE=UTR;2152196]Kipper, Obama’s race meant very little to the overwhelming majority of voters. Very, very few voted against him because he is black and anyone that claims or insinuates otherwise is just dead wrong. As for supporting him, I can’t give that support if he is looking to promote socialist policies. It isn’t our responsibility to give our support blindly but it is the politician’s responsibility to earn it. IMO, giving a political figure blind support is how we have generated some of the worst calamities in human history. Obama has made many promises and stated he is not a socialist. I will hold him to those promises and statements. If he holds up his end I will support him.[/QUOTE]

I can’t and don’t pretend to speak for Kipper, but you and I "heard " a different post. I did not take his words to mean that we should “blindly” follow…and you’re correct, respect must be earned.
I’m also not convinced that very, very few voted against him because of his skin color. On the other hand, many did vote for him precisely because of his skin color and I agree, I seriously doubt, overall, that the US is the racist country many would have us believe.

Barack however, is the President Elect and soon to be the Commander in Chief. He didn’t fall into this position, he was elected by the citizens of the US. and as such he is entitled to the respect shown to anyone in this position. He has earned that much, at least.
Should he fail the good citizens of this country and bring disrespect to this office, then so be it.
He has not as yet failed and at least deserves the chance to succeed or fail based on his own words and deeds and not on the basis of whatever preconceived notions any of us might have.
I too, have misgivings, but let’s be fair here. We haven’t witnessed any failures as President on Barack’s part.


#31

[QUOTE=maineman;2152206]I can’t and don’t pretend to speak for Kipper, but you and I "heard " a different post. I did not take his words to mean that we should “blindly” follow…and you’re correct, respect must be earned.
I’m also not convinced that very, very few voted against him because of his skin color. On the other hand, many did vote for him precisely because of his skin color and I agree, I seriously doubt, overall, that the US is the racist country many would have us believe.[/QUOTE]

I’ll venture to say that Obama received more votes because of his skin color than McCain received because of Obama’s skin color. In the end, the whole issue of race was probably a wash.

[QUOTE=maineman;2152206]Barack however, is the President Elect and soon to be the Commander in Chief. He didn’t fall into this position, he was elected by the citizens of the US. and as such he is entitled to the respect shown to anyone in this position. He has earned that much, at least.
Should he fail the good citizens of this country and bring disrespect to this office, then so be it.
He has not as yet failed and at least deserves the chance to succeed or fail based on his own words and deeds and not on the basis of whatever preconceived notions any of us might have.
I too, have misgivings, but let’s be fair here. We haven’t witnessed any failures as President on Barack’s part.[/QUOTE]

I don’t see where I have not been fair. I want him to succeed for the good of the country. He owes a lot of people and they will expect payback and if they don’t get it they will become a thorn in his side. You can’t owe people like George Soros and expect the payback to be good for the country, IMO. I personally can’t help, or hurt, Obama. I am a person in the stands watching the game until the next election, as are most of us. I am also thankful the election was clear cut and with the Democrats in full control their will be no doubt about who gets the credit, or blame, for our circumstances in the next 2-4 years.


#32

[QUOTE=UTR;2152196]Kipper, Obama’s race meant very little to the overwhelming majority of voters. Very, very few voted against him because he is black and anyone that claims or insinuates otherwise is just dead wrong. As for supporting him, I can’t give that support if he is looking to promote socialist policies. It isn’t our responsibility to give our support blindly but it is the politician’s responsibility to earn it. IMO, giving a political figure blind support is how we have generated some of the worst calamities in human history. Obama has made many promises and stated he is not a socialist. I will hold him to those promises and statements. If he holds up his end I will support him.[/QUOTE]

I agree; we do need to see from which part of the political spectrum he governs from. He has stated he will be a centrist. Should he prove to be to far to the “far-left” and ask for socialistic measures, then I will not be allowed to support him either.

I try to take all at their word until they prove their word is meaningless so we will see if he is a man of his word starting very shortly.

As for his “blackness”, it has been everywhere, some blacks saying he is not black enough and the crude racist jokes about him have surfaced and then spread by many.

The people have spoken and this was the decision of the majority, we must hope that good will come from this.


#33

As an American I know we are going to get through this one way or the other. If we start bringing back all the manufacturing back to this country. Start developing out energy reserves, and start isolationists policies (re: renegotiate NAFTA), slap a %50 tax on all those Mercedes and Volkwagens (My Subaru is made in American) then we will definitely recover. Europe will have it’s hands full though. Putin is trying to start a new GAS CARTEL to control sales of GAS to the Europeans (Iran, and a few of the good 'ol boys)… we have enough in our country with shale oil and Natural gas and Nuclear Energy to do quite well for ourselves. we also know how to grow a lot of good food. And we are more than quite capable of defending ourselves. I hope the isolationists policies don’t make Europe hate us more than they already do but if we start making fuel out of corn you may see bread go up to $10.00 a loaf. his has all happened before and it is all happening again. Hail our New leader Barrack Hussein Obama. I never hear any mention of Russia in these forums. It is still there, isn’t it? Imagine if American raised the whole sale price of it’s food products 15%. But as I have heard many times on this forum, our time has come and gone and we are a week nation.


#34

Hi again UTR,

Appreciate your candor and further explanation. I don’t believe you’re being unfair. You and I agree far more than we disagree.
And re: your statement:

[QUOTE=UTR;2152210]I’ll venture to say that Obama received more votes because of his skin color than McCain received because of Obama’s skin color. In the end, the whole issue of race was probably a wash.
[/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree.

You also touch on another topic that can run for pages…campaign financing.
You’ll get no argument from me. Like far too much of our political system, the corruption and cronyism is rampant and long overdue for a serious overhaul.


#35

Obama couldn’t have gotten the amount of money he did without having massive favors to honor. I also am skeptical of him choosing Rom Emmanuel for his chief of staff. He is a partisan political hack of the highest order and from Chicago. I wonder if this was Obama’s choice or the far left liberal Chicago power brokers’ that orchestrated his election campaign. IMO, it isn’t necessarily a sign he intends to govern from the middle or that he is making his own decisions. Every decision like the Rom Emmanuel choice is a piece of the puzzle being put into place. It won’t take long before we know the picture it will make when all the pieces come together and we won’t need every piece in place to make the call either.


#36

Yo-

Obama and JFK have similar qualifications - except Kennedy was born with the “silver spoon”-eh!!


#37

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2152305]Yo-

Obama and JFK have similar qualifications - except Kennedy was born with the “silver spoon”-eh!![/QUOTE]

JFK actually governed as president more like a current day Republican. He was a defense hawk and promoted tax cutting, trickle down economic policies. Here is a good article comparing Obama to Kennedy: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0801w.widmer.html


#38

well lets see only time will tell OBAMA is good or Bad.


#40

RIPGUIT
First of all that’s speculation. Also I
think it’s a little over the top.
ZAP.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


#41

What’s so over the top? We live in a racist world and all those ppl were murdered, right? In the last speech, did the president need protective shielding like Obama did? You guys wanna talk about fairy tales and not hit the truth, do it, don’t wanna face the truth, it’s all good.


#42

@Ripgut
First of all. i did not delete your post/thread, but i would have done had i seen it first.

1, Your post is racist. You make the assumption that because of the colour of a persons skin, they are somehow not suitable.
2, You can’t speak for all Americans.
3, In my view, your post is not about the truth, it’s about stirring up bad feeling and reactions.

deleted the offending post


#43

Ignorance is bliss.:wink: