Plextor won't read Ritek G04 burned by itself!

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#1

Hi, I have a Plextor External DVD +/-RW 12X burner (Model PX-712) - latest
firmware (v1.5) connected via usb 2.0 PCMCIA cardbus I have Windows XP Pro,PIII 512mb ram.

I have purchased Ritek G04 DVD-R 4x Media. My plextor won’t read the media
it just burned. It also does not read on two of my laptop DVD-ROMs, BUT it
reads on my Dell Desktop CDRW/DVDRW 4xcombo.

The content was mpegs and documents. So I used a DATA dvd burning option, no multisession, close after done job. I tried in both UDF & UDF-ISO modes, and I get the same result. I can’t understand why the Riteks can’t play after being burned successfully!! I used the following programs to do this.

Nero Burning Rom Ultra Edition 6.xx (latest)
Record Now Max v4.5

The compatibility list on plextor’s site said these are fine. Please, I am
on my 8th disc, and I don’t know what to do!

On nero, the buffer was at 98-99% sustained. My hdd’s are all in DMA mode.
Burning time was around 12-13 mins for ~4gb data.

I burned a CD-R on plextor drive, and it worked (plays on plextor, my cdrw/dvd drive) fine!

The media is legit, and it was verified by DVD identifier. Am I burning DATA
discs wrong? I didn’t think it would be this difficult!

I don’t know what else to say… I need your support. Thank you very much.

UDATE

I did the Plextor Self-TEST using a blank Ritek G04 disc. After a while, seems the test failed.
I have one steady blinking [every 2-3seconds] green light. Disc did not eject. If it passed, it would have ejected. This was a brand new drive I purchased for almost $200USD :frowning:

Why though if this is the case, did the disc work [reads, plays fine] on the Dell CDRW/DVDRW combo?

Any feedback and advice on this issue would be great. If I am to exchange this, should I get the PX-716 instead? Thanks again.


#2

It was an interesting-looking problem right up to failing the self-test. The single green blink means “write or read error” (probably read error based on your experiences with other readers) and that alone justifies returning it, either to the store or RMA to Plextor.

As far as replacing it with a 716, well, you’ll have to read the 716 threads here to decide if it’s for you. I would say ‘yes’ only because Plextor seems to be concentrating all their efforts on this drive and new firmwares etc for 708 & 712 are unlikely.


#3

Thanks ftp1020 for your prompt reply :slight_smile: Would the media itself, RITEKG04 be causing the problem?

I’m still curious as to why the dvd-r’s were able to play fine on the Dell DVD-R drive…


#4

Possible it’s the media … RitekG04 is compatible, but not recommended. The self test should really be done with recommended (TY/MCC/MXL) media. Plextor will probably ask that you use that for the self-diag before issuing an RMA.

They can play on the other units because the burning laser of your 712 is OK, but the reading laser/pickup may have a problem. That’s why I said the read/write error as indicated by LED blinks was probably on the reading side.


#5

Alright, I’m here with some interesting updates on the Plextor Self-Test. Below I’ll give you the specific details. Luckily, I did have one of Plextor’s recommended media laying around. It was a Verbatim DVD+R - the one that came in the box! :stuck_out_tongue:

I ran the self test with the Blank Verbatim DVD+R, and it PASSED. The disc ejected.

I also ran the self test with a Blank Maxell CD-R, and it also PASSED. The disc ejected.

Using DVD & CD identifiers, here are the specific details on each tested disc and it’s result via the Plextor PX-712 SELF TEST:

1. Ritek DVD-R 4X - SELF TEST FAILED, GREEN LIGHT BLINKING EVERY 2-3 SECONDS, NO DISC EJECTION

*** [u]SELF TEST PERFORMED TWICE USING 2 SEPARATE BLANK RITEKG04[/u].


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG04]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG04]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2x , 4x]
[6x And Higher Might Not Always Be Detectable]

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

** WARNING : Some Drives Do Not Return The Entire ‘Media Code’-Block
When Dealing with Discs That Are Rated 6x And Higher.
** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In

0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 76 0e 14 88 9a 80 00.@…R…v…
0010 : 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 34 00 00 00 00 00.RITEKG…04…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 08 12 11 86 67 80 00…g…
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 1b 0e 10 08 09 00…
0040 : 09 97 06 0d 0b 80 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00…
0050 : 0b 04 1d 18 a8 88 85 00 0c 89 ac 88 80 00 00 00…
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00…

2. Verbatim DataLifePlus DVD+R 8X - SELF TEST PASSED, DISC EJECTION COMPLETE

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-003-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [003]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]

3. Maxelll 700mb 80min CDR - SELF TEST PASSED. DISC EJECTION COMPLETE

ATIP: 97m 32s 19f
Disc Manufacturer: Prodisc Technology Inc.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 72f / LBA: 359847)

==============================

Keep in mind, that the RITEKG04 burned by the plextor PX-712 worked & played on my Dell Desktop DVDR/CDRW combo drive, but FAILED to play/recognize in my PLEXTOR (that burned the same disc,) and on two older Toshiba Satellite DVD-ROMs.

What is everyone’s thoughts on these results? Is it the Drive? The Media? The planetary alignment? Hehe, this is nuts!! :rolleyes:

Now this really sucks. I have a task to distribute class material, [Data DVD’s consisting of class practical mpeg’s, documents, lecture audios ect…] I have 200, well 190 blank Ritek G04’s sitting here that I ordered from Meritline.com for $87.00 USD incl. shipping. 3 50pk spindles still closed.

What media should I get? I am worried about the DVD-R’s not being able to play in older machines. Maybe Memorex instead?? Ah, I am so behind in work thanks to this delay! I’m worried that the Verbatim’s won’t play on older machines. On my older laptop, it reads memorex dvd-r’s. :eek:

Once again, thanks to all who have the time to help me out. :smiley:


#6

first of all RITEK is not considered good quality media…it is on Plextors compatiblity support list which simply means it may or may not work on Plextor drives…use DVD MEDIA that is on Plextor’s RECOMMENDED list…such as RICOH for DVD+R , TAIYO YUDEN, FUJI & MAXELL for DVD+/-R…also note that MAXELL & FUJI discs as long as the outside label of the spindle says “MADE IN JAPAN”, those are the ones you want to purchase…to get the actual media code for different brands of dvd media, download DVDINFO PRO or DVD IDENTIFIER…some brands like MEMOREX use different media codes for their discs such as CMC & RITEK which is not good quality dvd media…check out www.videohelp.com the media section to see what media codes for certain brands of dvd media…although the site is down for the moment i think the owner baldrick is updating the site…hope this helps you out…


PLEXTOR 708A DVDRW
PIONEER 107D DVDRW:)
LITEON 811 DVDRW
BENQ 1620 DVDRW (2)
TOSHIBA (2)1612 DVD-ROM
PLEXTOR 48X24X48 CDRW
PENT 4 HT 3.00C, 800 FSB, PENT 4 2.40 533 FSB
ASUS MOBO’s P4P800SE (2)
1GB CRUCIAL PC3200 MEMORY, 1GB CRUCIAL PC2700
WESTERN DIGITAL 36GB RAPTOR HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR 200 GB HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)250 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 200 GB SATA HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)120 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 60 GB HARD DRIVE
ANTEC TRUE POWER 480 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC TRUE POWER 430 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC SLK2650 CASE, ANTEC SLK2600AMB CASE
CANOPUS ADVC-100 ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERTER
MAXTOR ATA -133 PCI CONTROLLER CARDs


#7

Right, I understand what you mean DVD Addict. Those brands you have mentioned are not the most economical. Ok, they are recommended… but why then the compatibility test and list hehe. What have people been using besides the top, recommended that works? What guarantees do I have that the DVD-R media will play in other older DVD-ROMs?

All media have it’s pro’s and con’s of course. I am familiar with the Japan vs Taiwan issue, but that doesn’t give any solutions and answers to my problems as mentioned above.

I appreciate the help DVD Addict. All I know is that the Memorex CMC’s that we had for another subject were perfect for class sharing and reproduction. Also the Prodiscs seem to be ok too.

I’m still baffled as to why my plextor can’t read the disc it just made, and how it still works on the other dell. I just want something that works on my drive and can be used on other’s older dvd-roms.

By all means, I am listening to what you all are telling me. I was even considering returning the plextor and getting some external Pioneer/Benq/NEC enclosure drive, but I don’t think I will get good results with my PIII laptop 850Mhz/512mbXPpro, Intel 82801BA Bus Master IDE Controller, PCMCIA USB 2.0 Carbus. My firewire port is occupied by my 300gb external Seagate.


#8

For the short term (getting your discs made) you might want to consider the media that DVD_ADDICT recommended, and go back and deal with the Ritek G04 media when time is less critical.

It would be interesting (and informative) if you were to run Plextools Sum-8 PI/PO scans. I know we’re always saying that, but at least they give you an idea of whether the burns are good, bad, marginal, excellent, or otherwise. Seeing scans of the self-diag burns would be most informative…and would also indicate the likelihood of these discs being read by other DVD readers.

What media should I get? I am worried about the DVD-R’s not being able to play in older machines. Maybe Memorex instead?? Ah, I am so behind in work thanks to this delay! I’m worried that the Verbatim’s won’t play on older machines. On my older laptop, it reads memorex dvd-r’s. :eek:

Actually, it’s the +R format that might have problems being read by older readers, particularly DVD set top (movie) players. Older PC burners/readers will probably be bound to whatever format (+R or -R) that they supported at the time they were made and there’s nothing you can really do about that. Some will support one and others will support the other.

I have a PX712a and have gotten excellent results with:

Maxell 4x +R Ricohjpn01
Maxell 4x -R Taiyo Yuden TYG01
Fuji 8x +R Yuden000 T02
Verbatim Datalife Plus 8x +R MCC03
Memorex 8x +R Ritek R3

Zevia has a much more exhaustive analysis in the Post Your DVD Quality Scans Here thread. Note that Memorex uses a variety of dye manufacturers and it can be very difficult to tell which before buying. You might get Ricohjpn01 :iagree: or you might get CMC Mag E01 :Z

Let’s see those scans and see what we’re really looking at here. Good luck!


#9

Hi again ftp1020 :cool: I’ve always seen those graphs here, but I was never savvy enough to understand them. :o

I put the RitekG04 media that I burned already and am currently running the Qcheck PI/PO Sum8 Test. I kept the default preferences and selected start. Am I doing this correct?

So far finishing up 0-1 at the X axis. On the y axis, it started around 200, then gradually and currently shot up to over 500… still going on.

Oh, I spoke with Plextor Tech support too, they gave me an RMA Ticket number and said they’ll replace my drive. My question is, I purchased this from http://www.macmall.com - I still can return the defective item. Plextor said, give them the Ticket RMA number, and they’ll back it up. I can exchange this for a similar PX-712UF. or since I’ve already spent $189.00 on it then (it’s $160 at the site now) Should I spend the extra $15 to get the Plextor PX-716UF/SW ? OR should I get another brand they have? I do need an external drive.


#10

MrClark, no wonder the drive cannot read it. Anything above 280 max PIEs (the y axis) can be consider as a bad burn (coaster).

Edit: The x axis is the GB of data being test. If mcmall can accept that kind of exchange, I would exchange it with 716UF. 712 is discontinued and thus not supported anymore. Perhaps 716 can burn G04 better or at least plextor can continue improving it.


#11

Sorry, I just read the whole thread again…

mrClark, you have 190 G04 left… hmm… that’s not good. I agree with what ftp1020 and dvd_addict said. RitekG04 is not a good choice, and also not cheap if you said you got it for $87 200packs. You can get one of the best media, YUDEN000T02, for $80 plus tax.

In addition to dvd_addict, you can get YUDEN000T02 in Fujifilm DVD+R 8x, as long as it says in the spindle: Made in Japan. Fuji DVD+/-R 25pack is currently on sale for 9.99 in bestbuy. I would recommend the +R.


#12

Hi Zevia, thanks for dropping by too :slight_smile:

Well, The test aborted, with a Medium error : 03028D - Google didn’t return anything in reference to that. Here’s what the log had to say :


PlexTools Professional V2.18 Q-Check PI/PO Test
Copyright © 1999-2004 Plextor SA/NV
Tuesday, January 25, 2005

        PIE  POE  POF (columns are off a bit, but the values are respective)

Avg 59.16 - -
Max 1080 - -
Total 2503458 - 2941

The results were from my RitekG04 Media. I really thought the G04’s were not going to cause problems. I read many good things about it. Oh well… Any ideas as to why all of this happened? I feel like I’m burning DATA discs wrong… then again, these G04’s did fail the Plextor Self-Test too… :confused:

I think I am going to pay the $15 and get the Plextor PX-716UF. I hope that will be a better choice.


#13

Fortunately I have a full money back guarantee with meritline.com. I made sure if I was going to buy that much, there would be some incentive. Looks like I was lucky to check that but unlucky to deal with this mess :wink:

The stores I know of online, and from what people recommended here were : RIMA / SUPERMEDIA STORE / ALL MEDIA OUTLET … meritline. Best buy is pretty far out from me, along with the other stores like Circuit City and CompUSA. I thought the online stores were cheaper… I’ve read here, many folks on the board don’t like meritline because of the service.

For my archiving and distribution purposes, isn’t 4x DVD-R the better solution? I know the TY02’s are really good, but I was unsure if they are compatible in older DVD-ROMs. On Rima.com, they mentioned… may require firmware update… but I believe that is specific for the burner and not to read. Then again, if the burner can’t fuction w/o a firmware update… how are the dvd-rom players going to play w/o firmware update? I’m sure I am wrong in the thought process here :iagree:

Most of the people I know that need this stuff don’t upgrade their drives or what not. They know less than I do, and I don’t know much! :bigsmile:


#14

general rule of thumb is use good quality dvd media then you won’t have problems… :wink: :slight_smile:


PLEXTOR 708A DVDRW
PIONEER 107D DVDRW
LITEON 811 DVDRW
BENQ 1620 DVDRW (2)
TOSHIBA (2)1612 DVD-ROM
PLEXTOR 48X24X48 CDRW
PENT 4 HT 3.00C, 800 FSB, PENT 4 2.40 533 FSB
ASUS MOBO’s P4P800SE (2)
1GB CRUCIAL PC3200 MEMORY, 1GB CRUCIAL PC2700
WESTERN DIGITAL 36GB RAPTOR HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR 200 GB HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)250 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 200 GB SATA HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)120 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 60 GB HARD DRIVE
ANTEC TRUE POWER 480 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC TRUE POWER 430 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC SLK2650 CASE, ANTEC SLK2600AMB CASE
CANOPUS ADVC-100 ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERTER
MAXTOR ATA -133 PCI CONTROLLER CARDS


#15

MrClark, here’s my own score on Plextor drives as I posted here http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=833503&postcount=222

Excellent burn: PIE max <20, PIF<=4, POF=0
Very Good: PIE max <100, PIF<=4, POF=0
Good: PIE max <280, PIF<=4, POF=0
Bad: PIE max >280, and/or PIF>4, and/or POF>0

PIE POE POF (columns are off a bit, but the values are respective)
Avg 59.16 - -
Max 1080 - -
Total 2503458 - 2941

max PIE= 1080, POF= 2941 !!! I’m afraid to say that it’s an awful burn.

I did a search and saw a post that fw 1.05 is not good for G04. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=676636&postcount=74

I’m not sure if 716 can burn G04 fine, but for long term storage, as others said, G04 is not recommended.


#16

acks…i just reread this whole thread…MrClark you’re using a USB card for the external plextor 712…that could be where your problem is…USB connections have more compatibility issues when it comes to dvd burners…before you RMA that drive i would suggest you try hooking up the drive via FIREWIRE…do some burns via firewire and see if you have the same problems…it’s a wild shot but why not try it out… :wink:


PLEXTOR 708A DVDRW
PIONEER 107D DVDRW
LITEON 811 DVDRW
BENQ 1620 DVDRW (2)
TOSHIBA (2)1612 DVD-ROM
PLEXTOR 48X24X48 CDRW
PENT 4 HT 3.00C, 800 FSB, PENT 4 2.40 533 FSB
ASUS MOBO’s P4P800SE (2)
1GB CRUCIAL PC3200 MEMORY, 1GB CRUCIAL PC2700
WESTERN DIGITAL 36GB RAPTOR HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR 200 GB HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)250 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 200 GB SATA HARD DRIVE
MAXTOR (2)120 GB HARD DRIVEs
MAXTOR 60 GB HARD DRIVE
ANTEC TRUE POWER 480 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC TRUE POWER 430 WATT POWER SUPPLY
ANTEC SLK2650 CASE, ANTEC SLK2600AMB CASE
CANOPUS ADVC-100 ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERTER
MAXTOR ATA -133 PCI CONTROLLER CARDS


#17

Rima is good, but can’t beat bestbuy sale price. You can actually order the fuji online and shipped it for free.

On Rima.com, they mentioned… may require firmware update…
That sign was there since ages. It meant to warn people who owns 2x burner to upgrade the drive’s firmware so it can burn on an 4x rated media.


#18

Hey DVD_Addict, thanks for the tip. I did try that before thinking that it might be a USB thing. I have a firewire port, so I switched that with my Seagate that was plugged in there. I didn’t want my seagate and plextor both connected to the USB, because of power consumption wars.

Anyways, the result when I had the plextor connected to the mini 4pin firewire jack on my laptop was that the buffer would fluctuate from low to high quite frequent. I thought it was a problem w/ my Primary IDE channel running in PIO mode rather than DMA, but it wasn’t.

Primary IDE - Ultra DMA Mode 4
Secondary IDE - Ultra DMA Mode 2

The cardbus that I’m using is a NEC Certified adapter USB PCMCIA adapter.

I also own a Plextor PX-4012TU (40/12/40) cdrw drive purchased when I was living in Europe. That works flawlessly with my 3 port cardbus 2.0 adapter for it was a USB 2.0 Drive.

I also have a Belkin 4 port powered PCMCIA card. I got the same results on the RITEKG04.

My cdrw burning using the PX-712UF & Maxell CDR burned data @ 48X, with no loss via USB. This burn also took data from my Seagate drive. Tested it out.

Note that when I did burn via USB, I left all the other ports empty for the sake of full power to the drive.


#19

Wow you have alot of patience Zevia :cool: That’s alot of good information you have given. I will have to check up on these upper rated media results. Thanks also for the best buy info. Do you think they are the ones made in Japan? I have a bit more to add, but I have to step outside for a bit. Thanks for everything. :slight_smile:


#20

[QUOTE=MrClark}


PlexTools Professional V2.18 Q-Check PI/PO Test
Copyright © 1999-2004 Plextor SA/NV
Tuesday, January 25, 2005

        PIE  POE  POF (columns are off a bit, but the values are respective)

Avg 59.16 - -
Max 1080 - -
Total 2503458 - 2941

The results were from my RitekG04 Media. I really thought the G04’s were not going to cause problems. I read many good things about it. Oh well… Any ideas as to why all of this happened? I feel like I’m burning DATA discs wrong… then again, these G04’s did fail the Plextor Self-Test too… :confused: [/QUOTE]

What happened was that these discs + Plextor PX712 was not a good combination. 2.5 million total PIE, peaking at over 1000, and finally failing to be read all the way through … is about as bad a burn as it gets. Moral of the story? Don’t use Ritek G04 (or G05) with Plextor.

I think I am going to pay the $15 and get the Plextor PX-716UF. I hope that will be a better choice.

Gee, what was that advice given in the first reply in this thread? :bigsmile:

I hope you have better luck with the 716 MrClark. If you buy Verbatim 16x +R (MCC04) for it, it will love you.