Plextor, nVidia, Nero, and Jesus

vbimport

#1

Ok, thought I knew my shi@. I feel rediculous, but here goes:

I have an AMD Athalon XP 2800
nVidia nForce2 Chipset
Plextor 708A (Currently using Sony DVD+R media)
Nero 6.6.0.16

I have been having SERIOUS (what I believe to be) compatibility issues between the Plextor, my chipset, and Nero. I am attempting to create a data DVD+R full of .avi files to playback on my Xbox Media Center. A few different things can happen.

  1. Disk read error
  2. DMA mysteriously turns off
  3. Get this… it’s my favorite Disk goes through burning process, Nero blows its horn saying that the burn was a success, it kicks the disk (I look at the back and all seems kosher), then I attempt to read the disk. I check it in Windows, I check it in Plextools XP, I check it in NERO! Still it shows as an empty disk. (It definately doesn’t play in XBMC, either)

This is when I noticed that my drive was blinking code at me.

I’m getting 5 equal green leds. I check with Plextor and that apparently means that the disk is detected, but it can’t be read. It says that the failure is in trying to read PMA, TOC, or ATIP.

I’m sure that the whole Nero/Plextor thing has been beaten like a dead rat on this forum, but can someone please share your expertise with me?

This is what I’ve attempted throughout the process:

Reinstall Nero (with drive cleaner, and registry cleaner & also using registry mechanic)

Patch Nero

Upgraded Plextor to 1.11 recently (previously at 1.08 I believe)

Fiddled with my IDE settings… this includes
a.installing a couple versions of nVidia drivers (older)
b. installing nVidias unified architecture
c. removing nVidias IDE component of the driver
d. reinstalling a windows IDE dual-channel driver and double-checking the DMA settings to insure that they are at Ultra DMA 2

e.I’ve only saved a repeatedly-overwritten copy of my failed Nero burns under the name “log,” because that’s kinda funny to see. Otherwise, I haven’t saved any “completed burns,” since I never think to do it.

Bottom line:
I can’t burn ANY DVD’s on this drive anymore, although it did work great at one point (and I had stopped using it frequently for a while), and I would love to have it up and running again.

Please help.

Kevin


#2

Plextor Self Test?
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/faqs/HW00008.htm


#3

I’ve a Plextor 708A with an “old” firmware and it works with Nero (not as up to date as yours, just because I’m lazy) and DVD+R gave me no problems so far, with several versions of software update.

I have this drive in a Firewire/USB enclosure (ADS, Oxfor chipset) and used it with diffrent computers (desktop an a notebook), besides for DVD+R only using the desktop - motherboard Asus and Intel dual P III processors.

The 708A was said to be quite demanding about the media. Have you tried a different make of DVD+Rs?


#4

Ok, I still haven’t done the self-test (I’m kinda lazy and hate disconnecting and reconnecting every cable in my arsenal)… but out of curiosity I tried burning a CDR on the drive in question, and it worked with NO PROBLEMS.

So, DVD+R burning is not working… I’ve tried Sony DVD+R media and el cheapo DVD+R media. Neither work… but (and I forget the brand) CDRs are working.

Anyone have a clue why? Is it simply the media I have is all bad? Damn you Sony!


#5

try decent media (Verbatim 8x/16x DVD+R, Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R like FUJI, TDK or Sony Made in Japan)…if the problem persists, definitely conduct the self-test…


#6

From the FAQ:
“Q: I am having strange problems with my Plextor DVD recorder and I’m using an nVidia based motherboard.
A: If you’re using a motherboard with an nVidia chipset and when you’re using the nVidia IDE drivers please remove them and use the standard Microsoft drivers instead! The best way to remove nVidia IDE drivers is through the Control Panel » Add and Remove Programs » nVidia Drivers » Click change/remove » Uncheck IDE drivers only » restart. The drivers should now roll back to the default Microsoft drivers. Check for Mobo Bios updates as well. For more information about the nVidia problems you can read through this thread and this thread.”


#7

Yes i confirm that!

On my beautifull “old” ABIT NFS 2.0, i NEVER install Nforce drivers, but, only use OS SP1.

It works beautifull on me…

Also, tried to change the IDE cables…some, are incompatible with the Board, don`t ask me why…

I hope also did help…

Mordorr


#8

I would also recommend using +R media other than Sony +R’s, which are usually Sony D11 media code. They are very problematic and don’t burn well on a lot of drives even when they are supported at speed. Sony -R’s are a lot better choice if you want to buy Sony media. My PX-716A would still only support burning Sony D11’s at 4x with firmware 1.06, so obviously Plextor does not prioritize supporting that particular media code. They are supported at full speed now, but I have noticed on most drives that the errors tend to spiral on the outer portions of the disc. In my experience Sony media code discs, especially CD-R and DVD+R media, seem to have issues with high speed operation. Their CD-R’s also cause excessive vibration on my laptop recorder, so it would guess that their discs have warping issues that cause instability at high speeds, which would of course be most severe on the outer portions of the disc.

To demonstrate, I’ve scanned the same disc at 8x, then at only 4x because of the severe issues at the end of the disc (without removing the disc from the drive in case it is a seating problem etc). Not all discs in the spindle have exhibited this problem, but needless to say their quality control does not impress me. I have a whole spindle of Mitsumi 4x DVD-R media (AN32) which exhibits the exact same behaviour if scanned beyond 8x, except they will fail the scan completely near the end.




#9

I meant to say the Mitsumi discs do the same thing if scanned beyond 4x, rather than beyond 8x.


#10

From the FAQ:
“Q: I am having strange problems with my Plextor DVD recorder and I’m using an nVidia based motherboard.
A: If you’re using a motherboard with an nVidia chipset and when you’re using the nVidia IDE drivers please remove them and use the standard Microsoft drivers instead! The best way to remove nVidia IDE drivers is through the Control Panel » Add and Remove Programs » nVidia Drivers » Click change/remove » Uncheck IDE drivers only » restart. The drivers should now roll back to the default Microsoft drivers. Check for Mobo Bios updates as well. For more information about the nVidia problems you can read through this thread and this thread.”

Fiddled with my IDE settings… this includes
a.installing a couple versions of nVidia drivers (older)
b. installing nVidias unified architecture
c. removing nVidias IDE component of the driver
d. reinstalling a windows IDE dual-channel driver and double-checking the DMA settings to insure that they are at Ultra DMA 2

IDE has been dealt with I believe… but thanks for the feedback. I will try other media as has been suggested. Thanks guys

K


#11

The following is from my most recent burn attempt using a Ricoh DVD+R
**It failed, BTW. Help, anyone?

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File ‘Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM
ahead WinASPI: File ‘C:\Program Files\Ahead
ero\Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 6:35:34 PM
Nero Version: 6.6.0.16
Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 16b

Recorder: <PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A> Version: 1.11 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.16
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <LITEON CD-ROM LTN526S >Version: YS07 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.16
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD800BB-00DKA0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITEON CD-ROM LTN526S atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A D: CDRom0
LITEON CD-ROM LTN526S E: CDRom1

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1023MB (1048048kB)
Free physical memory: 217MB (222300kB)
Memory in use : 78 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

30.8.2005
Burn DVD Image
5:15:19 PM #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
Reader running

5:15:19 PM #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
Writer PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A running

5:15:19 PM #3 IMAGEGEN -10 File ImageGen.cpp, Line 366
Image was written as DAO.
DAOI:
MediaCatalogNumber = ‘’
TocType = 0x00
Finalized = 1
First/Last Track = 1 / 1
1: ISRC = ‘’
Blocksize = 2048
TrackMode = ‘TRM_DATA_MODE1’
TrackConfig = 0x00
First/Last Index = 0 / 1
Index0FilePos = 0, Index1FilePos = 0, NextTrackFilePos = 3789881344
CUES:
0: Ctrl=0x41 Trk= 0 (0x00) Index=00 Start=00:00.00 ( 0) RecDep=0x00
1: Ctrl=0x41 Trk= 1 (0x01) Index=00 Start=00:00.00 ( 0) RecDep=0x00
2: Ctrl=0x41 Trk= 1 (0x01) Index=01 Start=00:00.00 ( 0) RecDep=0x00
3: Ctrl=0x41 Trk=110 (0xAA) Index=01 Start=411:13.53 ( 1850528) RecDep=0x00
MTYP: Mediumtype = DVD (old format) (0x1C)
Image file name: <C:\Documents and Settings______omitted\Desktop_omitted\N2TwD3.nrg>

5:15:19 PM #4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

5:15:19 PM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 1850527 (411:13.52, 3614MB)

5:15:19 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

5:15:19 PM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483
Recorder: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A, Media type: DVD+R

5:15:19 PM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

5:15:19 PM #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - DVD-ROM)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 1850528 (1850528) = #1850528/411:13.53
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1850528 blocks [PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A]
--------------------------------------------------------------

5:15:19 PM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051
Prepare recorder [PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: “”
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 3789881344, ISRC “”
DAO layout:
===========
Start|Track|Idx|CtrlAdr|RecDep_____
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
1850528 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00

5:15:19 PM #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Caching of files started

5:15:19 PM #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4120
Cache writing successful.

5:15:19 PM #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Caching of files completed

5:15:19 PM #14 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Speed measurement started

5:15:19 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

5:17:06 PM #16 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
<PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1850528 (1C3CA0h), lenght 0 blocks

5:17:07 PM #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion

5:17:07 PM #18 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1781
Speed measurement completed: 25.7x (35,538 KB/s)

5:17:07 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Burn process started at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s)

5:17:07 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

5:17:07 PM #21 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1180
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x04C80600
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x24
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

5:17:07 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 665
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: No

5:29:26 PM #23 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1434
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x04900000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x0C
Sense Qual: 0x07
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x11 0xF6 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x14 0xF6 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x07

5:29:26 PM #24 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
Write error

5:29:26 PM #25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion

5:29:26 PM #26 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
conversion idle, stopping reader

5:29:33 PM #27 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1180
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x72
Sense Qual: 0x03
CDB Data: 0x5B 0x01 0x06 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x03

5:29:33 PM #28 CDR -1176 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 167
Session fixation error

5:29:33 PM #29 TRANSFER -24 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 167
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

5:29:33 PM #30 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Burn process failed at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File ‘Drivers\ASPI32.SYS’: Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM
File ‘Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS’: Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 5/19/2004 12:33:44 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File ‘Drivers\atapi.sys’: Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)


#12

Try Verbatin, TDK or even Memorex. All of them work for me.
Verbatin - try the 4x, that it was said the Plextor is able to write at 8x.


#13

try verbatim or tdk/fuji that’s made in japan


#14

i dont think its a media problem guys,you keep suggesting different media,in his last post he said he tried ricoh dvd+r and that burns very well on my 708A.can you try the drive in another system? just to know if its the drive or your system…


#15

As well as trying in another system, if you have another ribbon cable to try would be another suggestion.


#16

my first suggestion was the self-test…which he admittedly hasn’t tried yet…same hassle as trying the drive in a different system and/or switching the cable…barring those “hassles” what other than different media suggestions is there? :rolleyes:


#17

Here you can find a list of compatible media:
http://www.plextor.be/technicalservices/technology/recmedia.asp?choice=Supported%20media
I don’t know if the Ricoh disk that you did use is in the list, the problem can be of a different nature. But the Rocoh makes in the list go from 2.4 up to 8x only, so it is not that difficult that you used a 16x disc you can get problems.
If that’s the case try one from the list and afterwards you can try other steps: ribbon cable, position in the IDE cable/slot, other computer…and good luck.
Try also at the lower speeds to see if the disc can be written.


#18

Hey, I appreciate all of the help… I’ll be updating you with the self-test results… and I figured if I’m going to have to open the case anyway, I’d go ahead and buy another burner.

So I ordered an LG GSA-4163B multidrive. At least Plextor was good to me for a couple of years… if I can’t fix it, at least it’s still a good CD burner.

Thanks,
K


#19

good luck :iagree:


#20

Not true. Both Plextor 712A and NEC 3520 burn the 8X-rated D11 perfectly at 12X. See the Media Tests forum if you don’t believe it.