Please Some Help

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#1

Hi ,
First Sorry About my English
2° Sorry again, to make again some question that you maybe already have been posted
THANKS TO TAKE YOUR TIME READING THIS

I have a problem with my audio´s cds , because they doesn´t lisen as well as they used to.
I was sure the problem was caused by the burner LG 8x4x32x , two years ago.
All the things turned me to that conclusion
Nobody knows nothing about my problem here in Mexico.
I only had information about the cds that maybe was wrong because the humidity —here rains a lot especially now–
And all the other stuff implicated on this: the humidity , the places you keep it , the mark, and the fungus that appear ,because you touch it on the brilliant face of the disk .

But all of them was a joke to me , because I thought a cds will be play good for a very long time without a problem

And that´s the reason why , I thought that about the Burner, without a reaason why,
Although nobody tell me an explication
(well, once a technical of LG told me about an error ocurred on the units that doesnt burn to the appropiated tempearature and that´s one reason why my burner do that. But when I call again to explain me more, they denied and told that the unit was good, and the only way to know is it was alright , was making a cds and if it sound fine the unit will be o.k. – I told her I can do that . The last one stupid thing that him told me, was that my computer was wrong and I have to change it.)

But afterall I was sure the problem was the Burner.

But once on a forum here en Mexico a sew about the problems with the cds caused by de humidity , because they dont put it all the elements to make a really save disk on Country With a lot of hot like Belice , Panamá, Costa Rica, Guatemala, includind the Caribean Calleding this Marks : Sony , Verbatim , Kodak and others .But unfortunatelly, I only used Sony , because I thought they were good and won´t have any problem in the future. But never give problems, until now.

But seeing this, I start dont to trust on them and again restart thinking about maybe de problem was the cds.

–I start reading yours post , all about the material are they made like Cyanine or Phthalocyanine
–Taiyo Yuden made the Fujifilm , one of the best , but no more
–The Best CDs are made on Taiwan
–Some Good Marks Maxell, Ricoh (Well , in the post I read , someones says yes, but others doesn´t)

O.K. Thats a really, really great information

But now I have a Big Problem, A lot of cds sounds like crap, and I need to start save all I can.But they are a lot and require time and money.

To make this posible I Bought a New CD-Recorder an AOpen 52x24x52x , If in case the problem was caused by my first Burner.
Great isn´t , but Again I have a really stupid lucky, I can only burn at 8x without problems , because my AMD is old at 533MHZ , I could change it , but again I will need money . I can only Put it more Ram .Maybe Late , after fix all of this.

All My Cds are Sony , From the Begining to Now .
I start Burning the “12 May 01”, just only 2 Years. That´s the Date of my First CD I heard Yesterday and the last 5 songs start to sounds bad , just like the others with “hiss” , well the last 2 songs sounds really bad.

In Some cds the “noise” start in the middle and are making higher to the end.
In Others are in All from the Begining to End or Viceverse but not to strong like the fist ones
And the last ones , random someones yes and others not
In Some others the “noise” is to high, that the song cant´t even lisen , but in other are low .
But This are increase by the time, and I need to hurry up, to make Backups.

I dont know if the cds are wrongs , but maybe
I have don´t lisening to all of them , but all that I can

I Bought it in Diferent Places and Time
I Star with Sony 74Min CDQ-74CN (XO Excellent Optical Technology) 8x All of this now sound bad (Really All)
Made in U.S.A.

                Sony  74Min CDQ-74CN  (XO Excellent Optical Technology)   12x           Good
                Made in Taiwan, R.O.C.


                Sony  74Min   (SUPREMAS)   16x                                                        Good              
                Made in Taiwan


                Sony  74Min   (SUPREMAS)   24x                                                         I heard all of them, and really sounds wrong.     
                Made in Taiwan                                                                                This was the first that I heard the problem.


               Sony  74Min   (SUPREMAS)   32x                                                       Sounds fine, but almost all have noise at the end
               Made in Taiwan
               




               Sony 74Min
 (I really dont know, because my brother gift me with a " tower", but it doesnt a paper or description)    Sounds fine all






              ---Then I Bought like 150 of ---           -Because here doesnt more sell Sony with 74min only 80min
                                                                                                                            


               Kodak  (ULTIMA)                  8x                               This Sounds fine 
               Made in Mexico

              From Kodak to the Now I´m sure will be fine all , because they only have like one Year of been created


              Sony   80min  (SUPREMAS)                     32x (They change the covers of the Cd with a picture of a  man an a woman)      
              Made in Taiwan


             Sony   80 Min  (SUPREMAS) High Speed    40x             
             Made in Taiwan


             --And Finally after I Know About my poroblem ,  I was thinking  thinking to make my backups with this, I I bought a Couple of                      Boxes to Prove.
             

             Verbatim (Super Azo)        High Speed    48x
             Made in Mexico



That´s all finally  , I REsume Maybe like 200 cds Sounds Wrong and the others starts to be like them.But the cd at 24x that ones are the most wrong , you can even hear or sometimes doesn´t can´t be reading by some Stereos

And I have Some Questions, About . I hope you Could help , I Will be really , really grateful any suggest are welcome.

How many years will be o.k. an original cd?
(what´s the diferences between an original and a Burn cd, I know the Equipment, but what else. why it are better)

How Many Years …a burn cd (a good one)?

Which are the best marks of cds ?
(I know all of you make a lot of test, and sometimes change the results between you and the other people here, but someone that you know , although it doesn´t the best , but someone that well be o.k. for several years , I have been looking some of yours post and I think someone that you posts a lot is Fuji, but Not now , because TY are not more , but maybe still being good and I´m satisfied , maybe is not he best , but if work.
Unfortunatelly I think here in Mexico doesn´t sells Fuji , I Found TDK, Ricoh,Sony,Samsung,LG,Verbatim ,Kodak(not more), the selfsmarks on Office Depot, and others, but until now I never look to them . “But wherever you write, I will try to find it”
Of Course I want Quality , but I prefer the time which it keeps save , and I think a good Cd have this 2 characteristics.

The life of a cds will be longer, if it is of data?
(I have been thinking , to make it on mp3. I will make 2 Copies . One for Lisening and the other backup
Because If I start to make a single cd copy of audio of every cds , it will be a lot of money and time, and to image that this problem pass me again , I will be so mad, because I´m doing this to be secure that this time will be the best I can. In that way I can Keep it like 12 records on one, and if is true that on data keeps for longer time , thats will be great)

Is better to burn at 4x?
Someones tell me to burn at 4x because is the way to keeps a good quality (I burned at 8x all my cds with my Lg, thats was the max speed and sounds fine and now with the AOpen still sounds fine , I have to Burn at he same speed that Lg , because to my AMD is old.
I see that are special cds audio , but are expensive
But it doesnt affect the life of the cds. If you burn it to a high speed will be have less time of life?

How is the best way to keep it for longer time?
Of course clean , dry , in its boxes and all the stuff , but the speciall thinks like , dont put it under the ray of sun or light. You should keep it on a Close Box without light or something like this

THE LAST ONE
Does Any one have or had this problem sometime?
(Here in Mexico I Posted on a lot of places and talking with people and nothing, but on Boards of English posted a cuople of this .This Problem sometimes happen when you burn with more speed thant the cds supports or when you have made a certain number of copies on your burner like 1500 or more. But thats all.
— The last one I saw was a link on a Forum with the Comment on this page , which says , that after 2 years or less the cds doesn´t can be reading . And thats the same Problem I have.

I´m really really hurt . I was so angry , because without mentionated the money and time , In which way how can I get back all the stuff I had --I will never Could find all of it-- , how many time I spent on that and making numbers it´s a lot of money drop , plus the time I will have to take to fix this and again the money.

WELL THANKS , REALLY THANKS, TAKING ALL THIS TIME AND SORRY AGAIN ABOUT MY ENGLISH

ya_no_hay_mas@hotmail.com


#2

Hi, and welcome to our forum! :slight_smile: My english is not perfect either :wink:

How many years will be o.k. an original cd?

Varies, should be over 10 years, probably more like 25 years. But it depends on the factury, material in the CD and how you store it (fingermarks is not a good thing in the long run for example).

How Many Years …a burn cd (a good one)?

A good one Like the old Kodak discs or Taiyo Yuden discs will probably last 10 years or more, maybe just as long as good original CD-R discs(25 years+)

Which are the best marks of cds ?

I guess you mean CD-R disc makers. In my opinion that is

1; Kodak - but discontinued
2: Taiyo Yuden - still widely available.
3: Mitsui toatsu (especially their gold discs which is not made anymore).
4: Verbatim AZO discs.

The life of a cds will be longer, if it is of data?

You may say yes as the correction features of CD-readers will correct smaller defects on the disc if it’s data. But small defects on an audio disc will be audible(could be heared) on the music (pops or hiss sounds).

Is better to burn at 4x?

With most new writers: no. They have better write quality at the higher speeds. This do also depends much on the used CD-R disc brand. I like to write at 24X-40X with my 52X writer depending on the disc if I want them to last long.

How is the best way to keep it for longer time?

In a dark, dry place which is a bit cool (10-20 deg C would have been perfect I think).

Does Any one have or had this problem sometime?

Yep, with most disc types. Not with Kodak or taiyo yuden discs though (have kodak discs from 97-98 which still works perfect).

Most other brands have let me down…including Verbatim AZO, TDK, sony and pioneer.

Notice that many sony CD-R discs is actually made by Lead data which is not good at all.


#3

Hi also!

Regarding audio that “sounds bad”. This is almost certainly caused by your system, before the audio is burned to the CDR. Try the disc in another player to see if it also sounds bad.


#4

Originally posted by rdgrimes
[B]Hi also!

Regarding audio that “sounds bad”. This is almost certainly caused by your system, before the audio is burned to the CDR. Try the disc in another player to see if it also sounds bad. [/B]

Not to my experience :confused:

I’ve plenty of discs that did sound ok for a while but now sounds just like rodrigo_p_m described. It do depend on which palyer I use to play it though…with some it’s hardly noticeable, with other the distortion is quite bad.


#5

THANKS SO MUCH OC-Freak to taking your time to post , I´m really thankful with you.
I´m feel fine , because now I know where the problem becomes, thanks so much

but If it is not a lot of problem could you answer this also please:

Like you said :
I guess you mean CD-R disc makers. In my opinion that is

1; Kodak - but discontinued
2: Taiyo Yuden - still widely available.
3: Mitsui toatsu (especially their gold discs which is not made anymore).
4: Verbatim AZO discs.

But there is no more good cd makers.
I need to buy A lot of boxes and I think I only know the Verbatim made in Mexico . I never seen the Cds of TY , Any way , how I know which cds are manufacture by TY (On the part-back of the cd or on the box or where?)
Or there is a self -mark TY.
I will try to find it , but if there isn,t I will have to buy Verbatim but Made in Mexico not in Taiwan

And also like said rdgrimes (THANKS TO YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT) . I always heard a cd After burning, And lisen fine is with the time that make increase this noise.
And also like said OC-Freak:

I’ve plenty of discs that did sound ok for a while but now sounds just like rodrigo_p_m described. It do depend on which palyer I use to play it though…with some it’s hardly noticeable, with other the distortion is quite bad.

With my Cd-Rom that comes with my Computer a Compaq Presario AMD K-6 533 , 533MHZ . If I play I Bad cd With this problem, It sound like two times more than any Cd player Stereos that I have on Home , buy If I Play With the Lg Sound just a little better . And the Last thing is if I play in the Aopen (I dont´know why )
First It takes a long time to recognize the cds , then after 1 Miute or 2 I can start to lisen and the Sound are the half less than any Cd Players . Also If i Ripped the Songs still with the half of the Sound .

I have tried with others Burners and is not the same , in it Still hearing the noise on the same level . I really dont know why oly with the Aopen buy I will try to find it on the Audio Forum .
Then with a Good Software, with the opcion of take out hiss, the song sound fine again but after a long time and patience.

AGAIN THANKS AND SORRY FOR TAKING SOME TIME AGAIN .


#6

Well if it says “Made in Japan” on the packaging it’s a almost certain that it’s TY.

TY do also have frosted center (the plastic near the center hole is not clear, it’s a bit greyish).

Ummm, that’s how far I could help you…


#7

Your help was very helpful , thanks so much for everything

O.K. Now I will try to find it

THANKS