Pioneer112 or 115

My 111 bit the dust still under warranty which should I get the 112 or the 115?

@ cheesie

Suggest reading the Pioneer DVD Burner Forum Read First posting titled “CD Freaks Presents: The Pioneer DVR-112 DVD Burner Review” (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/cd-freaks-presents-pioneer-dvr-112-dvd-burner-review-213918) and the Pioneer DVD Forum posting tilted “TerminalVeloCD presents: The Pioneer DVR-115D Review” (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/terminalvelocd-presents-pioneer-dvr-115d-review-233549) and decide for yourself instead of reliving on some one else’s opinion.

Regards,
bjkg

I faced the same question and went with the 115D. So far, I’ve been happy with the burner and have not had any problems. It will burn Verbatim 8x DVD+RW at 8x–something that my 110D won’t do. Also, it rips DL DVD-video at 12x. About the only reason I can figure for going with the 112D is the more mature firmware. I have noticed that the 115D is a bit noisier than the 110D. The difference is not significant and the noise is not an issue for me.

[QUOTE=Modred;1973098]I faced the same question and went with the 115D. So far, I’ve been happy with the burner and have not had any problems. [B]It will burn Verbatim 8x DVD+RW at 8x–something that my 110D won’t do.[/B] Also, it rips DL DVD-video at 12x. About the only reason I can figure for going with the 112D is the more mature firmware. I have noticed that the 115D is a bit noisier than the 110D. The difference is not significant and the noise is not an issue for me.[/QUOTE]

That depends on the media/MID used.

[QUOTE=cheesie;1973044]My 111 bit the dust still under warranty which should I get the 112 or the 115?[/QUOTE]

Get the DVR-112D! I love mine. :bigsmile:

[QUOTE=chef;1973320]That depends on the media/MID used.[/QUOTE]

The only 8x DVD+RW disks I have ever been able to find locally are Memorex and Verbatim. No one seems to have much luck with the Memorex, so I go with the Verbatim (MKM-A03). It’s weird that some of the Verbatims disks will burn at 8x in the 110D while others will not. I tried to full erase them in Nero Linux and ImgBurn but this didn’t help. The firmware in the 110D is 1.41, which is the latest. Anyway, the 115D burns the Verbatim reliably at 8x, so all of this isn’t important anymore.

Re-read my answer please.
It is not weird, it is normal and good that Pioneer has decided to slow down the speed for such unreliable media like that from Memorex!

In case of DVD+RW 8x, I’d recommend RICOH & Verbatim.

[QUOTE=chef;1974147]Re-read my answer please.
It is not weird, it is normal and good that Pioneer has decided to slow down the speed for such unreliable media like that from Memorex!

In case of DVD+RW 8x, I’d recommend RICOH & Verbatim.[/QUOTE]

 16x rated CMC MAG M01 (Stock) pioneer firmware will only burn this media @ 12x. I think pioneer is just being smart. I also agree and don't even use cheap media, but if I do it is for testing only

[QUOTE=chef;1974147]Re-read my answer please.
It is not weird, it is normal and good that Pioneer has decided to slow down the speed for such unreliable media like that from Memorex!

In case of DVD+RW 8x, I’d recommend RICOH & Verbatim.[/QUOTE]

Chef,

We’re getting a bit off-topic and I was actually covering two issues in my postings but…

I agree it is good that DVD-writers slow when dealing with unreliable media such as Memorex. As noted in my earlier posting, that’s why I don’t use 8x Memorex DVD+RW media.

What I don’t understand is why my 110D with the latest firmware will burn 8x DVD+RW Verbatim media at a maximum speed of 3.3x, while the 115D will burn the SAME EXACT VERBATIM DISKS at 8x. And by “same exact Verbatim disks,” I am referring to the same exact individual physical disks. The difference in recording speed cannot be attributed to media.

You clearly know much more about DVD-writer technology than I do, but the reason this issue came to my mind is the thought that the 115D, being a newer burner, may be compatible with new and upcoming media for a longer period of time than the 112D, which I assume will be discontinued soon. I don’t know if that will be the case, but it is the issue I was raising.

I honestly don’t want to and won’t get into an argument over this, but I think I have a real, if perhaps uninformed, question and a comment that may be pertinent to the OP’s original 112D vs. 115D issue.

Modred

I believe it should be fully noted that the DVR-115D is in its infancy and as of this date no Firmware update have been released for this Drive.

Forum Member Brad-Pioneer (Brad Morton/Product Specialist/Pioneer Electronics Australia) in Forum postings has stated that DVR-115D version 1.15 Firmware will be released shortly which will improve Media writing performance for the DVD-115D. Suggest waiting on a Firmware update release before making any judgments on the performance of the DVR-115D.

Regards,
bjkg

[quote=Modred;1974299]What I don’t understand is why my 110D with the latest firmware will burn 8x DVD+RW Verbatim media at a maximum speed of 3.3x, while the 115D will burn the SAME EXACT VERBATIM DISKS at 8x. And by “same exact Verbatim disks,” I am referring to the same exact individual physical disks. The difference in recording speed cannot be attributed to media. [/quote] Perhaps the MKM A03 media code (Verbatim 8x DVD+RW) is not supported by the Pioneer DVR-110D firmware? I think that drive may pre-date introduction of this media.

[QUOTE=DrageMester;1974357]Perhaps the MKM A03 media code (Verbatim 8x DVD+RW) is not supported by the Pioneer DVR-110D firmware? I think that drive may pre-date introduction of this media.[/QUOTE]

The Pioneer PDF document entitled “Media Support for DVR-110D series” indicates that MKM A03 media is supported at 8x:

http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00003r_e.html

I have five of the MKM A03 disks, and the 110D will write to one (and perhaps two) of them at 8x. The others max out at 3.3x. The 115D will write to all five disks at 8x. The 110D has gotten a huge amount of use, and perhaps it’s just getting old and tired.

Anyway, I’m very happy with the 115D with the current firmware and look forward to the new firmware mentioned by bjkg.

[QUOTE=Modred;1974299]Chef,

We’re getting a bit off-topic and I was actually covering two issues in my postings but…

I agree it is good that DVD-writers slow when dealing with unreliable media such as Memorex. As noted in my earlier posting, that’s why I don’t use 8x Memorex DVD+RW media.

What I don’t understand is why my 110D with the latest firmware will burn 8x DVD+RW Verbatim media at a maximum speed of 3.3x, while the 115D will burn the SAME EXACT VERBATIM DISKS at 8x. And by “same exact Verbatim disks,” I am referring to the same exact individual physical disks. The difference in recording speed cannot be attributed to media.

You clearly know much more about DVD-writer technology than I do, but the reason this issue came to my mind is the thought that the 115D, being a newer burner, may be compatible with new and upcoming media for a longer period of time than the 112D, which I assume will be discontinued soon. I don’t know if that will be the case, but it is the issue I was raising.

I honestly don’t want to and won’t get into an argument over this, but I think I have a real, if perhaps uninformed, question and a comment that may be pertinent to the OP’s original 112D vs. 115D issue.

Modred[/QUOTE]

Don’t worry about going off topic I like reading on all the issues
Thanks everyone for your replies

[QUOTE=DrageMester;1974357]Perhaps the MKM A03 media code (Verbatim 8x DVD+RW) is not supported by the Pioneer DVR-110D firmware? [B]I think that drive may pre-date introduction of this media.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, that seems to be the case. :iagree:

I initially bought the 112D, but it developed the infamous CD bug after 6 months of use, so I had it RMA’d. Since the distributor were out of the 112D, they gave me the 112 instead. Since then, I’ve had the 112 crossflashed with 112L firmware because I prefer the SL auto-bitsetting feature. I can say that both 112 models are pretty good burners.
I’m currently eyeing the 115, but don’t know if there will be better variant models to crossflash it into, much like 112 and its 112L Buffalo variant. I’ve heard about the Japanese-based Buffalo releasing a 19x drive, but nothing about a 20x. Anyone can enlighten me on this? TIA.