Pioneer BDR-209EBK - faulty?

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#1

Hello,
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I have recently bought a Pioneer BDR-209EBK burner and a load of Verbatim media. Latest firmware (1.34 ID60) flashed to burner.
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The only problems I’ve had so far are with “BD-R Dual Layer” with ID: “VERBAT-IMf-000” (rated 6x). These were bought directly from UK Amazon, and are Verbatim reference 43736: 10-pack with jewel cases, made in Taiwan.
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I have had:

[ul]
[li]two coasters at 4x speed: error verifying immediately after the layer-break
[/li][li]one coaster at 6x speed: error writing immediately after the layer-break
[/li][li]three successes at 2x speed with writing & verifying. These play fine in my PC and stand-alone Blu-ray player.
[/li][/ul]

I am using default settings in ImgBurn except for manually choosing the Write Speed.
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According to some reviews I’ve come across online, my burner ought to cope with this media at 4x or 6x speed.

Should I therefore be concerned that my burner might be faulty?
Or is this quite common, even with good brands such as Pioneer/Verbatim?
I’m wondering whether or not to request an exchange while it’s under warranty.​

For info, I have successfully burned at 4x speed on some “DVD+R Dual Layer” and “BD-R Single Layer” discs, again from Verbatim.
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Many thanks,
Bluto.

In case it’s of use, logs of failed burns follow:

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I 17:34:54 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 17:34:54 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)
I 17:34:54 Total Physical Memory: 8,346,700 KiBÂ -Â Available: 6,856,580 KiB
I 17:34:54 Initialising SPTI…
I 17:34:54 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 17:34:54 -> Drive 1 - Info: PIONEER BD-RWÂ Â BDR-209M 1.34-ID60 (L:) (RAID)
I 17:34:54 -> Drive 2 - Info: TSSTcorp DVD±RW TS-H653G DW30 (J:) (RAID)
I 17:34:54 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-RE XL!
I 17:38:03 Operation Started!
I 17:38:03 Source File: C:\Users\bluto\Documents\Downloads\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6.iso
I 17:38:03 Source File Sectors: 19,682,048 (MODE1/2048)
I 17:38:03 Source File Size: 40,308,834,304 bytes
I 17:38:03 Source File Volume Identifier: Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6
I 17:38:03 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 48CC7534012C5226
I 17:38:03 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 17:38:03 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 17:38:03 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 17:38:03 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RWÂ Â BDR-209M 1.34 (L:) (RAID)
I 17:38:03 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 17:38:03 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x
I 17:38:03 Destination Media Sectors: 24,438,784
I 17:38:03 Write Mode: BD
I 17:38:03 Write Type: DAO
I 17:38:03 Write Speed: 4x
I 17:38:03 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 17:38:03 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 17:38:03 Link Size: Auto
I 17:38:03 Lock Volume: Yes
I 17:38:03 Test Mode: No
I 17:38:03 OPC: No
I 17:38:03 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 17:38:03 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 17,980 KB/s (4x)
I 17:38:04 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No
I 17:38:05 Filling Buffer… (80 MiB)
I 17:38:06 Writing LeadIn…
I 17:38:21 Writing Session 1 of 1… (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 17:38:21 Writing Track 1 of 1… (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 17:38:21 Writing Layer 0… (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 18:01:57 Writing Layer 1… (LBA: 12219392 - 19682047)
I 18:16:41 Synchronising Cache…
I 18:16:44 Closing Track…
I 18:16:45 Finalising Disc…
I 18:17:00 Exporting Graph Data…
I 18:17:00 Graph Data File: C:\Users\bluto\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-209M_1.34_15-OCTOBER-2016_17-38_VERBAT-IMf-000_4x.ibg
I 18:17:00 Export Successfully Completed!
I 18:17:00 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:38:56
I 18:17:00 Average Write Rate: 17,122 KiB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17,625 KiB/s (4.0x)
I 18:17:00 Cycling Tray before Verify…
I 18:17:19 Device Ready!
I 18:17:20 Operation Started!
I 18:17:20 Source Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RWÂ Â BDR-209M 1.34 (L:) (RAID)
I 18:17:20 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 18:17:20 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 8x
I 18:17:20 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x
I 18:17:20 Source Media Sectors: 19,682,048
I 18:17:20 Source Media Size: 40,308,834,304 bytes
I 18:17:20 Image File: C:\Users\bluto\Documents\Downloads\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6.iso
I 18:17:20 Image File Sectors: 19,682,048 (MODE1/2048)
I 18:17:20 Image File Size: 40,308,834,304 bytes
I 18:17:20 Image File Volume Identifier: Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6
I 18:17:20 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 48CC7534012C5226
I 18:17:20 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 18:17:20 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 18:17:20 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 18:17:20 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 18:17:21 Read Speed - Effective: 3.3x - 8x
I 18:17:21 Verifying Session 1 of 1… (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 18:17:21 Verifying Track 1 of 1… (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 18:17:21 Verifying Layer 0… (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 18:33:52 Verifying Layer 1… (LBA: 12219392 - 19682047)
W 18:34:11 Failed to Read Sectors 12271136 - 12271167 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:34:26 Failed to Read Sectors 12271328 - 12271359 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:34:32 Failed to Read Sector 12271328 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:34:32 Sector 12271328 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:41:19 Retrying (1)…
W 18:41:23 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:25 Failed to Read Sector 12271328 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:25 Sector 12271328 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:41:30 Failed to Read Sector 12271329 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:30 Sector 12271329 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:41:35 Failed to Read Sector 12271330 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:35 Sector 12271330 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:41:45 Failed to Read Sector 12271331 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:45 Sector 12271331 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:41:51 Failed to Read Sector 12271332 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:41:51 Sector 12271332 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:01 Failed to Read Sector 12271333 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:01 Sector 12271333 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:06 Failed to Read Sector 12271334 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:06 Sector 12271334 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:10 Failed to Read Sector 12271335 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:10 Sector 12271335 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:15 Failed to Read Sector 12271336 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:15 Sector 12271336 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:20 Failed to Read Sectors 12271440 - 12271471 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:25 Failed to Read Sector 12271456 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:25 Sector 12271456 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:30 Failed to Read Sector 12271457 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:30 Sector 12271457 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:34 Failed to Read Sector 12271458 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:35 Sector 12271458 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:39 Failed to Read Sector 12271459 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:39 Sector 12271459 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:44 Failed to Read Sector 12271460 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:44 Sector 12271460 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:49 Failed to Read Sector 12271461 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:49 Sector 12271461 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
W 18:42:54 Failed to Read Sector 12271462 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:54 Sector 12271462 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
I 18:42:57 Abort Request Acknowledged
W 18:42:59 Failed to Read Sector 12271463 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 18:42:59 Sector 12271463 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
E 18:42:59 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 18:43:00 Exporting Graph Data…
I 18:43:00 Graph Data File: C:\Users\bluto\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-209M_1.34_15-OCTOBER-2016_17-38_VERBAT-IMf-000_4x.ibg
I 18:43:00 Export Successfully Completed!
E 18:43:00 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:25:39
I 18:43:00 Average Verify Rate: 15,978 KiB/s (3.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 37,582 KiB/s (8.6x)
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I 23:22:55 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 23:22:55 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)
I 23:22:55 Total Physical Memory: 8,346,700 KiBÂ -Â Available: 6,695,636 KiB
I 23:22:55 Initialising SPTI…
I 23:22:55 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 23:22:55 -> Drive 1 - Info: PIONEER BD-RWÂ Â BDR-209M 1.34-ID60 (L:) (RAID)
I 23:22:55 -> Drive 2 - Info: TSSTcorp DVD±RW TS-H653G DW30 (J:) (RAID)
I 23:22:55 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-RE XL!
I 23:23:29 Operation Started!
I 23:23:29 Source File: C:\Users\bluto\Documents\Downloads\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6\Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6.iso
I 23:23:29 Source File Sectors: 19,682,048 (MODE1/2048)
I 23:23:29 Source File Size: 40,308,834,304 bytes
I 23:23:29 Source File Volume Identifier: Star_Wars_SSE_TN1_v1_6
I 23:23:29 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 48CC7534012C5226
I 23:23:29 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 23:23:29 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 23:23:29 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 23:23:29 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RWÂ Â BDR-209M 1.34 (L:) (RAID)
I 23:23:29 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 23:23:29 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x
I 23:23:29 Destination Media Sectors: 24,438,784
I 23:23:29 Write Mode: BD
I 23:23:29 Write Type: DAO
I 23:23:29 Write Speed: 6x
I 23:23:29 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 23:23:29 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 23:23:29 Link Size: Auto
I 23:23:30 Lock Volume: Yes
I 23:23:30 Test Mode: No
I 23:23:30 OPC: No
I 23:23:30 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 23:23:30 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 26,970 KB/s (6x)
I 23:23:30 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No
I 23:23:31 Filling Buffer… (80 MiB)
I 23:23:31 Writing LeadIn…
I 23:23:45 Writing Session 1 of 1… (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 23:23:45 Writing Track 1 of 1… (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 19682047)
I 23:23:45 Writing Layer 0… (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 23:40:04 Writing Layer 1… (LBA: 12219392 - 19682047)
W 23:40:30 Failed to Write Sectors 12277408 - 12277439 - Reason: Write Error
W 23:40:30 Retrying (1 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (2 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (3 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (4 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (5 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (6 of 20)…
W 23:40:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:31 Retrying (7 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (8 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (9 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (10 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (11 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (12 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (13 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (14 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (15 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (16 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (17 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (18 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (19 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:32 Retrying (20 of 20)…
W 23:40:32 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:53 Retrying (21)…
W 23:40:53 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:55 Retrying (22)…
W 23:40:55 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:40:56 Retrying (23)…
W 23:40:56 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:41:06 Retrying (24)…
W 23:41:06 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:41:07 Retrying (25)…
W 23:41:07 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 23:41:07 Retrying (26)…
W 23:41:07 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 23:41:12 Failed to Write Sectors 12277408 - 12277439 - Reason: Write Error
E 23:41:12 Next Writable Address: 12276512
I 23:41:12 Synchronising Cache…
W 23:41:33 User opted to skip the ‘Close Track/Session/Disc’ functions.
E 23:41:33 Failed to Write Image!
I 23:41:33 Exporting Graph Data…
I 23:41:33 Graph Data File: C:\Users\bluto\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-209M_1.34_15-OCTOBER-2016_23-23_VERBAT-IMf-000_6x.ibg
I 23:41:33 Export Successfully Completed!
E 23:41:33 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:18:03
I 23:41:33 Average Write Rate: 23,452 KiB/s (5.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 26,418 KiB/s (6.0x)


#2

Well, I would assume your burner is not really faulty, and that it is the discs themselves that are not quite that great. Had some problems myself, check link below. Same Verbat-imf mid, 25pak spindles. (made in Singapore though)
http://club.myce.com/f87/pioneer-bdr-s09j-xt-xlb-2209-209-209d-e-u-j-xj-334432/index34.html#post2781368

Suggestion: do not burn any faster than 2x on these 50GB dual layer ones, or any discs this size. (and any 25GB at max 4x speed)
But even then the (Verbat-imf) scans will not be that great…

And perhaps buy better discs, like these hopefully should be(£2.50 each):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150448152894
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150435298499
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151857851917
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201021465851


#3

Many thanks for your reply!

I am interested to see that you and another poster in that thread have had trouble with these discs in a 209 series Pioneer burner. And I have since seen two other recommendations to burn [B]all [/B]BD-R DL media at 2x speed here in posts 19 and 23:

As a newbie to DVD / Blu-ray burning, it isn’t clear what the best strategy is. Many websites say that burning more slowly than the rated speed in the hope of better quality is a myth with modern burners/media, and yet it seems to still be true at least in the case of BD-R DL media.

I shall hang on to my burner since it seems otherwise fine on DVD media and BD-R Single Layer, and the three burns I have tried at 2x speed on these BD-R DL “Verbat-imf-000” discs have all worked (albeit taken ages to burn). I don’t have any scanning software yet to determine how good these 2x burns were, but they verified and play fine.

I take it you’ve had a good success rate with Panasonic BD-R DL discs on the Pioneer 209? Are there any other brands you recommend or avoid?

Someone in the thread you linked to recommended “CMCMAG DI6”, but I’ve read elsewhere that CMC have not always been very reliable. Have you tried these?

Bluto


#4

As for scanning SOFTWARE, you can use Nero CD-DVD Speed or ODC(opti-drive-control) for instance.
http://club.myce.com/f96/

http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cd_dvd/dvd_tools/nero_cd_speed.cfm
http://club.myce.com/f96/cd-dvd-speed-disc-quality-pi-pif-test-96285/index78.html

http://club.myce.com/f96/opti-drive-control-erik-deppe-274820/
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

Drives on the other hand, is a much more difficult issue… hard to find these days…
http://club.myce.com/f61/best-drive-do-blu-ray-quality-scans-319969/
Old poll:
http://club.myce.com/f61/best-bd-re-drive-2011-a-323406/

This one should work, but none for sale atm…:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371620162628 (“LITE-ON DH12B2SH 12X SATA Blu-Ray burner”)


About the “slow burn” myth etc:
http://club.myce.com/f33/slow-write-speeds-modern-drives-modern-media-no-good-247643/

In my experience, at least with DVD’s, any slower than 8x seems to produce worse results. No coasters mind you, but apparantly higher error levels (scanning). That goes even for 8x media, I think. But what do I know… just started with testing, so… :o


As for CMC, you are correct to a point. From what I have read and seen of posted scannings, their products are not that great in GENERAL, but… for these 50gb Blurays, the ‘CMCMAG DI6’ mid, people say they are better than many others. But myself I have never been able to actually find any for sale(as you have to know which brand/model that has that mid [U]for certain[/U] at time of purchase, which is difficult since makers change things around ‘constantly’), so no experience there.
Here are some CMC related comments, but for DVDs only:
http://club.myce.com/f33/cmc-pro-powered-ty-341120/

Regarding Panasonics DualLayer 50gb, I have not tested any yet, but doubt they are any worse than the Verbatims. You can search the forums for scans and comments and see how they fare.

Now 25gb(Panasonic) on the other hand, is the best there is! Granted, they DO differ from version to version, but all seem pretty good. Problem is that blurays are VERY sensitive to any ‘contamination’, so ideally they should have been cartrigde based, I think… (like some DVD-ram disks)
At least retesting some time later, I often get ‘much’ (relatively) higher error levels than straight after initial burn. Still pretty good though, even then.


Other brands… hmm, not much experience vs Blurays, only Verbatim and Panasonic so far. The other possible ones (search/read the forum scans etc) are more difficult to pinpoint I believe. As they are linked to certain models or batches of some brands, that most likely are impossible to find by now - impossible meaning, you can find their likeness, but the production process/maker probably has changed(to something inferior). There are some special Japanase stuff/versions(JVC/Verbatim(!)/That’s/Sony/TDK etc…) , but I never know what mid’s they have or if they really are LTH* or not.
(*: ‘low to high’)
http://club.myce.com/f61/htl-lth-311691/

Take a peek at ebay, in the japanese sellers inventories (those who are selling Panasonics for instance)…
http://www.ebay.com/sch/CD-DVD-Blu-ray-Discs/80135/m.html?item=142024647597&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESINDXX%3AIT&_ssn=jp-buy

I have no idea which is better, so I stick to the Panasonics for now.
.
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#5

I’ve burned a few Panasonic BD-R DL discs (MID = MEIRB1-001) at 6x with 3 variations of the BDR-209 drives and all have been rather good, no problems in playing them back in a Blu-ray player.
BDR-S09XLT
BDR-209D
BDR-209M

The 209 supports up to 14x burning with this media, but I’ve burned them at the rated speed.


#6

VERBATIMf are among the worst BD-R DL media You can buy :Z, it´s not a Problem of the Pioneer 209, it´s a problem of the discs!:iagree:


#7

Thank you all so much for the informative replies - it’s a great help, and reassuring to know that I needn’t be concerned about my new Pioneer drive.

I shall try to get hold of some of the Panasonic BD-R DLs.

Bluto