Pioneer BDR-206 slow after firmware upgrade to 1.05

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#1

Welcome to this excellent Forum! (this is my first post)

I have a problem with Pioneer BDR-206. I got one recently, and installed it in external USB/eSATA box. Initially it had firmware 1.04 and was working perfectly. Read/write speeds were ok.(16x).

Than i decided to upgrade firmware to 1.05. After this upgrade BDR-206 becomes very very slow (upgrade was reported successful). Read speed is 2x, write max. 4x with DVD writing quality being very lousy. No other changes were made in my setup (it is attached to Thinkpad X200 or T410s).

Does anyone has any idea what could be the reason? What solution shall i look for?


#2

Welcome to the forum, at least to your first post.

I too recently purchased a BDR-206 and I was thinking about the 1.05 firmware myself late last night. My 206 came with 1.04 as well and I wondered whether 1.05 would be any improvement. I have asked someone on this forum about 1.05 in the past but got no reply.

Not being able to downgrade was a concern. So I think I will wait.


#3

Not many answers, though I have solved problem (at least partly) - it might be useful for someone:

  1. firmware update and resulting malfunction was from Pioneer Japan:
    http://pioneer.jp/device_e/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00002r_e.html#bdr_206

  2. downgrade to 1.04 did not work by any means.

  3. firmware downloaded from American site:
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Computer-Drives/BDR-206
    somehow forced firmware 1.05 upgrade to 1.05 - that more or less solved the problem.

Solved more or less since:

  • drive returned almost to the specified speeds
  • writing BD-RE (Panasonic) took almost 2 hours (20.5Gb)
  • writing quality of DVD (Yuden T03) is rather not impressive to say nicely.
  • write quality of Verbatim DVD seems better then Yuden, never seen on old Plextors.

Does anyone has experience with burning DVDs on BDR-206? What about quality?


#4

I cannot say that I have burned any DVD’s with it, I use my BenQ for DVD burning.

Nice to know that you got it sorted. Using Japanese firmware seems a bit risky, I would only use European firmware on mine as it has a different model name BDR-206D which shows in the post screen and device manager.


#5

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2584089]
Using Japanese firmware seems a bit risky, I would only use European firmware on mine as it has a different model name BDR-206D which shows in the post screen and device manager.[/QUOTE]
I would like to know what do yo mean with[B] “only use European firmware”[/B]
because AFAIK the Pionner burners (BDR-205 et 206 family) are not officialy sold by Pioneer in Europe.
Pioneer Europe stopped the distribution around the end of 2009.

So for recent Pionnner burners you have only Japanese and US models and firmwares …


#6

Are you sure, franz?

Recent posts have mentioned such drives already MIC…


#7

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2584089]… Using Japanese firmware seems a bit risky, …[/QUOTE]
Well this Japanese firmware is actually the same as on the other sites. American one i found only recently and consider it rather unusual that version 1.05 was replaced by 1.05…

European site:
http://www.pioneer-optical.eu/Download_Firmware-Download.asp
does not provide firmware for BDR-206, only variants with D, S, or M.

Anyway - this is my first Pioneer drive, and i am surprised with such a mess with firmwares & wonder what future will bring?!

Does anyone have good quality DVD burns form BDR-206?


#8

[QUOTE=franz99;2584123]I would like to know what do yo mean with[B] “only use European firmware”[/B]
because AFAIK the Pionner burners (BDR-205 et 206 family) are not officialy sold by Pioneer in Europe.
Pioneer Europe stopped the distribution around the end of 2009.

So for recent Pionnner burners you have only Japanese and US models and firmwares …[/QUOTE]
It’s Pioneer UK that now don’t sell Optical drives because I have telephoned them. The EU does still sell them and they do still provide support for the drives. See Zibi00’s previous link to new drive firmwares. Mine is the BDR-206DBK which is technically the same as the US BDR-206BK but includes the letter D in the model name in the firmware/device manager. It appears at post and in device manager as BDR-206D.


#9

[QUOTE=franz99;2584123]I would like to know what do yo mean with[B] “only use European firmware”[/B]
because AFAIK the Pionner burners (BDR-205 et 206 family) are not officialy sold by Pioneer in Europe.
Pioneer Europe stopped the distribution around the end of 2009.

So for recent Pionnner burners you have only Japanese and US models and firmwares …[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=chef;2584145]Are you sure, franz?

Recent posts have mentioned such drives already MIC…[/QUOTE]
I am not sure of anything …

I would just like to know :
1°) where in Europe I can buy a Pioneer BDR blu-ray burner
2°) which exact model (MIJ or MIC ?)
3°) and then where get the right firmware upgrade

Have Pioneer Europe changed again their commercial policy since mid 2009 ?

Because for the moment all this seems to me very confused …
When dowloading links you might sometimes get this sort of problem :
<< Pionner BDR-206D “Available target is not found" >>
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47356


#10

[QUOTE=Zibi00;2583944]Not many answers, though I have solved problem (at least partly) - it might be useful for someone:

  1. firmware update and resulting malfunction was from Pioneer Japan:
    http://pioneer.jp/device_e/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00002r_e.html#bdr_206

  2. downgrade to 1.04 did not work by any means.

  3. firmware downloaded from American site:
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Computer-Drives/BDR-206
    somehow forced firmware 1.05 upgrade to 1.05 - that more or less solved the problem.

Solved more or less since:

  • drive returned almost to the specified speeds
  • writing BD-RE (Panasonic) took almost 2 hours (20.5Gb)
  • writing quality of DVD (Yuden T03) is rather not impressive to say nicely.
  • write quality of Verbatim DVD seems better then Yuden, never seen on old Plextors.

Does anyone has experience with burning DVDs on BDR-206? What about quality?[/QUOTE]

The two firmwares from the above links are in fact identical (both the kernel and the main firmware are exactly the same in both cases). What is different is the flasher program (BR206.exe) those two firmwares use.


#11

[QUOTE=RedDwarf;2584172]It’s Pioneer UK that now don’t sell Optical drives because I have telephoned them. The EU does still sell them and they do still provide support for the drives. See Zibi00’s previous link to new drive firmwares. Mine is the BDR-206DBK which is technically the same as the US BDR-206BK but includes the letter D in the model name in the firmware/device manager. It appears at post and in device manager as BDR-206D.[/QUOTE]

That might well be the case, but that doesn’t stop most UK retailers to source them and sell them… the BDR-206D can be readily purchased in the UK for a while now…

BDR-206(BK) and BDR-206D(BK) use different firmwares, so from this point of view they are different drives/models (even though in hardware terms they are identical) and as such cannot just be flashed with another model’s firmware … except of course if one performs a crossflash (which requires third party DVRFlash support and a kernel firmware).

For the record, the newer BDR-206M drives are completely different drives (both in terms of hardware and firmware) than all the other BDR-206 models, and as such can’t be crossflashed into any other BDR-206 model.


#12

Firmware HQ has the upgrade firmware for BDR-206, 206D and 206M

http://www.firmwarehq.com/Pioneer/drives.html

My 206 is running great with 1.04 so I did not upgrade.

JohnnyJT
South Philly


#13

[QUOTE=cvs;2584359]The two firmwares from the above links are in fact identical (both the kernel and the main firmware are exactly the same in both cases). What is different is the flasher program (BR206.exe) those two firmwares use.[/QUOTE]
I also did realize that, US flasher forces firmware upgrade, the other one does not.
Strange enough, but re-flashing helps.

After burning JVC BD-R (LTH) at speed 4x the 206 drive became slow again… power-off, change of computers attached, insertion of other media did not help - but re-flashing firmware cured all problems.
Is this normal? as i’ve never seen such behavior with DVD, with Blu ray i have no experience.


#14

After reading:

[B]1°) this:[/B] [QUOTE=Zibi00;2584920]
US flasher forces firmware upgrade, the other one does not.
Strange enough, but re-flashing helps[/QUOTE]
[B]2°) this[/B]
Pionner BDR-206D “Available target is not found"
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47356

[B]3°) and this:[/B]
Pioneer took off the site new firmware for BDR-206MBK

I would like to know which is [B]the exact model [/B]I will get

  • if I buy a Pioneer BDR-206xxx [B]somewhere in Europe [/B]
  • and then [B]where is the right firmware[/B] to upgrade [B][I]with no problems ?[/I][/B]

If this confusion with Pioneer persists I may as well buy a Plextor PX-LB950SA or PX-B940SA
[B]with a 2 years waranty[/B]


#15

[QUOTE=franz99;2585263]After reading:

[B]1°) this:[/B]
[B]2°) this[/B]
Pionner BDR-206D “Available target is not found"
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47356

[B]3°) and this:[/B]
Pioneer took off the site new firmware for BDR-206MBK

I would like to know which is [B]the exact model [/B]I will get

  • if I buy a Pioneer BDR-206xxx [B]somewhere in Europe [/B]
  • and then [B]where is the right firmware[/B] to upgrade [B][I]with no problems ?[/I][/B]

If this confusion with Pioneer persists I may as well buy a Plextor PX-LB950SA or PX-B940SA [B][I]with a 2 years waranty[/I][/B][/QUOTE]

Well, there’s no confusion really…

There are 3 different BDR-206 models:

BDR-206 (BK)
BDR-206D(BK)
BDR-206M(BK)

The first two only differ in firmware, the hardware is the same.
The last one is based on entirely different hardware and obviously the firmware is different too.

Therefore, the exact drive you’ll get (BDR-206xBK) depends on that x. If the x is missing it is a BDR-206, otherwise it is either a BDR-206D if x=D or BDR-206M if x=M. The BK ending is irrelevant. Most of the drives sold in Europe seem to be BDR-206D ones at this stage, with some stores selling the BDR-206M model as well (at a higher price tag than the D version).

You should update the drive with the firmware meant for that model… if its a D model use a D model firmware, etc …

Yes there was a bit of an issue with Pioneer initially releasing the wrong firmware for the BDR-206D, but that has been sorted out now. Everyone makes mistakes now and then … but at least Pioneer was quick to sort it out …

Nobody else reported the issue Zibi00 had, so his problem seems to be an isolated one rather than a widespread one. It might well be somehow related with his mobo/chipset/controller/drive/BIOS/settings combination.

In terms of firmware update sources these 3 links are a good start:

http://www.pioneer-optical.eu/Download_Firmware-Download.asp
http://pioneer.jp/device_e/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00001r_e.html
http://pioneer.jp/device/dvr_a09.html

I would advise against buying a Plextor PX-B940SA BDR-205 rebadge, because they haven’t released a firmware update in ages (still stuck at version 1.08) and you can’t flash it with the much newer ‘standard’ 1.11 Pioneer BDR-205 firmware at this stage (there’s no kernel firmware available to do so). Pioneer released 3 firmwares since the Plextor 1.08 one, so better buy a proper BDR-205 if you can find one.


#16

Thank you very much cvs for these explanations and advise !

Now I may get this Pioneer BD burner (for 149 €)
http://www.macway.com/fr/product/21543/graveur-blu-ray-12x-pioneer-bdr-206dbk-sata-interne.html

P.S. Would you also advise against buying the new Plextor PX-LB950SA because it is a ??xxx rebadge ?


#17

[QUOTE=franz99;2585342]
P.S. Would you also advise against buying the new Plextor PX-LB950SA because it is a ??xxx rebadge ?[/QUOTE]

The PX-LB950SA is a LiteON iHBS212 rebadge. Price-wise the PX-B950SA is likely to be more expensive than the iHBS212 itself, so it would make sense to buy the real thing rather than pay more for the Plextor name …