Pioneer 109 CDR incompatability

vbimport

#1

Pioneer 109 bk April2005 came with FW1.40
Burns all dvds perfectley and reads dvd that won’t read in nec2500 and nec 3520. Fantastic drive but problems with some cdr’s.

Converting mp3’s to audio cd with nero 6 & 66012 & windows media palyer, All cdr will only burn at 32x max.
(all cd’s work 100% with NEC2520 at 32x)

YES worked OK with nero.

Discrite White 80m Premium grade A
ATIP leadin - 97m27s18f
ATIP Lead out- 79m59s74f (LBA 359999)
Plasmon Data systems Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

Discplanet white Premium grade A
ATIP leadin - 97m27s18f
ATIP Lead out- 79m59s74f (LBA 359999)
Plasmon Data systems Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

FAILED with Nero & WM Player Get to about 70% then error

IMATION 52x
ATIP leadin - 97m17s06f
ATIP Lead out- 79m59s74f (LBA 359999)
MOSER Bear India Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

DATASAFE 52x Silver premium.
ATIP leadin - 97m17s19f
ATIP Lead out- 79m59s74f (LBA 359996)
Prodisc Technology Inc.
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
06h
06h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

If I copy a disc in alcohol 120% set to ‘normal cd’ all discs work ok with out error???

I’m assuming a firmware error of some sort???

Can I flash back to 1.17 and if so will it make any difference???


#2

Did these medias fail once (1 CD), or did you try again with another CD of the same batch and it failed again?

Put differently: can the error be reproduced? This is kinda important to track the issue down…

Anyway getting back to 1.17 isn’t a god idea IMO.

Cheers :slight_smile:


#3

Mutlipul cd’s 8 datasafe & 4 imation but these disc work with data cd, but fail on audio cd’s

Have 2 systems with xp neither fail with nec but both nero fail with poineer. But when using Alcohol all disc work in the poineer. Heve tried two versions od nero same result. will try easycd creator next

Will do some more checks and report back


#4

Looks like most of the high street cdr are, (Imation Memorex)

MOSER Bear India Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

And will NOT complete a full Audio burn!!!

Have also tried
Nero 6 6.1 6.3 6.6 6.6.012 & 6.6.013
Easy cd creater platium 5
Cd mate
Windows media

All complete clean installs from windows xp s2 all update, imaged back to give clean install.

A soon as I switch to WHITE TOPS CDR FORM Discrite or discplanet all burn with out error.

PS CDRW are all error free,


#5

Could a another 109 user confirm that there drive can or can’t write AUDIO CDRS using this manufacture of media, just so prove its my drive and I can the RMA it. Thank you

Imation or Memorex
MOSER Bear India Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

or

DATASAFE 52x Silver premium.
ATIP leadin - 97m17s19f
ATIP Lead out- 79m59s74f (LBA 359996)
Prodisc Technology Inc.
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
06h
06h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h


#6

It is hard to reproduce your experiment 'cause I don’t have these media. I would recommend you try use Stomp Recordnow (with a fix) or WinOnCD DVD edition with service pack 3. I have no problem using those apps with A09 no matter what. Look further into Pioneer thread and you’ll see that Nero is giving too much trouble and errors when used with Pioneer drives.


#7

Juzzie thanks for you reply

Its not just nero I’ve tried- also
Easy cd creater platium 5
Cd mate
Windows media

I’ll try the others, but what do you mean by Recordnow(with a fix) what fix!!!
Can’t seem to see one called stomp?

I can’t beleive that no boby esle hasn’t used memorex or imation disc,(walk in to any retail store in the UK and you’ll find one of thes brands).


#8

Recordnow & WinOnCD DVD edition both fail same with Imation or Memorex & DATASAFE on audio cd’s only, but make data cds as the others do!!!

I’ve burn’t 20 dvd-r x8 at 12 speed today no errors and made 6 cdr backups with alcohol and nero using the datasafe media that fail under audio cds???


#9

Had a read though losts of threads, most saying it’s a nero issue, but I can now say it got nothing to do with nero as all other software the same error with this make of media os its a drive/firmware issue!!!


#10

New firmware 1.50 tried and still no go.

RMA all the drives and replacing with NEC 3520’s

It’s a shame as the 109 can read burnt media that the NEC can’t.
I can’t send out systems that can’t write to Audio cds to major bands of cdr’s and do not want customer screaming at me again. Should I have know better when the 109’s was offered at nearly the same price as the NEC drives?? Are poineer trying to off load then faulty drives cheap!!!


#11

Well, it looks like it’s your drive is malfunctioning. Do not blame the whole DVR A09 series though.

I have retail DVR-A09 that was flashed with 1.40 firmware. I’ve used it for 2 weeks already for DVD burning with no problems. After I read your post I decided to try to burn music CD-R’s and everything works like a charm. I’m using Memorex 52x CD-R’s and WinOnCD 6 DVD edition with service pack3. No errors and fast burn as well. I guess you’ve got just a bad drive :sad:


#12

Juzzie

I have 5 drives all the same??

Can you look at the media and check the manufacture of the memorex media, my memores is:-
Imation or Memorex
MOSER Bear India Ltd
PhthaloCyanine Material
CD-R
04h
05h
00h
00h
0000000h/000000h/00000h

Thanks


#13

Sorry forgot to say

they are all 109 bk’s


#14

I’ll do it tonight (I’m at work right now). To be on the same track - what software are you using to identify the CD codes?


#15

I,m using alcohol 120 - disc infomation, advance


#16

Here is info from my Memorex 52x CD-r that I picked last month in Rite Aid store:




#17

hmmmm, I noticed a few differences in a few things…

Max write speed is different
Burn Proof is supported
Read ATIP is unknown on my drive


#18

This is probably because I used older version of Alcohol which did not support A09 properly (you can see different BUS description in your picture and mine). This is the main reason why I avoid using such applications. I have installed Alcohol 120 only for the sake of reading CD-R media codes for mow.

As I stated above, it was discovered by other members that RecordNow Max v2.5 with DLL fix (search forum for that or I can give you a link) works correctly with A09. Probably Nero also does, but sometimes it’s difficult to “befriend” Nero with other applications. As concerns me, I am happy with WinOnCD DVD edition v.6 with service pack 3. It is very powerful CD & DVD application and has all the features I ever needed. I also use CloneCD and CloneDVD. BurnPROOF feature is available in all those applications for my drive. So for the complete success you need 3 things:

  1. Retail or OEM drive. I prefer RETAIL because there is no way to distinguish between “grey market” OEM drives and real OEM drives (they all come in bulk). Grey market drives may give you all kind of “surprises” in functionality and performance.
  2. Good source of CD/DVD media. I use some online stores where I usually buy from;
  3. Proper configuration of IDE/SATA drives and cables. Do not use PCI IDE controllers such as Promise but rather stick to motherboard controllers.
  4. Proper recording software that is proven to work with your drive. Of course, there is no common solution as to what application to choose. Just recommendations.

#19

Thanks Juzzie

Your memorex are made by a different manufacture.

Anyway swapped all drives for Nec3520s, can burn cdr at 48speed now(instead of 32), but one customer still not happy, nec3520 won’t over speed his g05 dvd-r to 12x as the the 109 did(orginal FW) and some of his dvds can’t be read fully by the nec but the 109 can. SO I swapped it back and sold him 1000cdr whitetops. A little earner at last after all that p***ing about.

MOW


#20

I had problems with the imation doing max speed, if the cds keep failing simply drop the speed to 24x and it will work.