Pio 112L + MCC-004 | Stock Vs. MCC-003 Strat

This is a follow-up to a question posted by the scaly one:

I like using the MCC-003 strat when burning Verbatim MCC-004 with my recent Pioneers. I don’t know whether the actual burn quality is better, but CD Speed’s DQ scans would suggest it is.

Example #1: Verbatim 16x DVD+R (Prodisc) purchased from ACCA Recording Products in 2007
Burner: Pioneer DVR-112L fw 8.25
Write Strategies:
Disc 1: MCC-004
Disc 2: MCC-003
Burn Speed: 8x
Scanning Drive: Lite-on SHM-165P6S fw MV9N
Scan Speed: DQ at 16x; Jitter Pass at 4x

Example #2: Neo-Verb 16x DVD+R (CMC) purchased from OfficeMax in 2008
Burner: Pioneer DVR-112L fw 8.25
Write Strategies:
Disc 1: MCC-004
Disc 2: MCC-003
Burn Speed: 8x
Scanning Drive: Lite-on SHM-165P6S fw MV9N
Scan Speed: DQ at 16x; Jitter Pass at 4x



Thanks, tropic. :flower:

I think I may have some similar tests burned with a Pioneer DVR-111* that I might be able to dig up - these were made for a slightly different purpose, namely to avoid an ugly jitter-jump at higher burns speeds in at least one of my 111s.

Interesting results. Could it then be deemed conclusive that the strat swap was a good move? I could see that the scans definitely show an improvement in all aspects, but as many people say - scans aren’t everything. I do tend to generally accept what scans suggest of a disc’s quality/condition, but on this - strat swapping - I’m a bit skeptical.

My thoughts on this - why would they (the manufacturers) use a less efficient strategy for MCC004 when they could’ve just used an existing one (MCC0003) that actually results in better burns? Are they seeing something in their “labs” that we can’t see from scans alone?

I’m no rocket scientist (nor an optical media specialist) so I don’t mess with this stuff. But the results look pretty amazing for a simple task as going the MCSE>swap>reflash=better burns thing.

I imagine that drive makers would not be happy to have 16x media burning at 8x max, remember they’re all feeling the need for speed, hence new drives overspeed a lot of medias. For example when I was using my new Optiarc to burn 8x TY DVD+R, it offered 16x, which of course I did not do. Similar story with the few MCC 004s I’ve used with it - offered something like 20x.

Well, I’m stuck at 8x or slower with these Pios because I don’t like the PIF spikes that go with the faster burns.

As for actual burn quality? It’s possible that the MCC-003 strat is like painting a message on a rock wall–it might be more easily read than the same message carved into the rock, but things might change after a few seasons of rain and wind, eh?

[QUOTE=SeanW;2148473]I imagine that drive makers would not be happy to have 16x media burning at 8x max, remember they’re all feeling the need for speed, hence new drives overspeed a lot of medias.[/QUOTE]

I understand that part, but why introduce a different writing strategy as opposed to just duplicating an existing one and adding faster write speeds - similar to what we could do with MCSE? :stuck_out_tongue: Just a thought. :slight_smile:

Would you say this has shown these results only for the Pioneer 112? I have a 111L. I might give the strat swap a shot for comparison too. I just don’t know if I have any MCC004 left :stuck_out_tongue:

My tests with MCC004@MCC003 strategy swapping on my Pioneer 111 series drives showed that that basic PIE/PIF and Jitter were neutral (no better, no worse) for burn speeds up to 8x, but it got rid of a nasty jump in jitter and PIE/PIF for burn speeds 12x and higher on at least one drive.

This jump in jitter and PIE/PIF exists for many CD and DVD media on the 111 series at the point where DVD burn speed passes 8x in CAV and P-CAV burning for DVD and passes 24x speed for CD-R. The size of this jump differs between individual drives - on some drives it’s huge and on other drives hardly noticeable.

I have looked through my 111 series scans for this strategy swap, but unfortunately my saved scans with and without the strategy swap are for different firmware version which potentially confuses the comparison, so I have chosen not to post them (yet).

I haven’t yest tested this swap on my 112 series drive(s).

[QUOTE=cd pirate;2149404]Would you say this has shown these results only for the Pioneer 112? I have a 111L. I might give the strat swap a shot for comparison too. I just don’t know if I have any MCC004 left :p[/QUOTE]I haven’t used my 111L in a while, so no input on that. The 112L shows a small difference, and the 115 shows a larger small difference between the two write strategies at 8x.