Thanks imkidd57, Guess the 3 I had were all from the same batch. The unit replaced an early Philips DVDR75, which continues to work fine. I eventually bought a Sony RDR-GX350, mainly for its upscaling…but if you think the Philips are slow, you should try the Sony, much slower than any Philips machine I’ve used. Makes good recording, but lousy menu system for recodings, plus a fan which I can hear across the room !!