Panasonic Archival Grade BD-R

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#1

Anyone tried those yet??


#2

[QUOTE=chef;2617955]Anyone tried those yet??

http://panasonic.net/avc/blu-ray_disc/archive.html[/QUOTE]

Thanks chef for the heads-up on these :flower:

With most media manufacturers in a race to see who can make the cheapest, cr@ppiest BD-R’s and still get people to buy them because they’re not ALWAYS bad :rolleyes:, any news about a manufacturer raising the bar and actually dumping some cash into R&D to improve their media brightens my day :clap::bigsmile:. Be interesting to see if FTI takes up the challenge and takes their 50 year BD-R’s to 100 like Panasonic.

Another news release about these mentions they won’t be for sale till 2nd quarter of the year. I’m sure I’ll have to pay to ship them from Japan to get a look at them :(. Not a lot of US sellers offering Panasonic.


#3

They could well be an astronomical price too but it would be interesting to see if they’re affordable or not.

[B]Wombler[/B]


#4

Hello !

What do you experts think about an article like this one:

[B]« Blu Ray Media: Panasonic Review »[/B]


(published February 2011)

[B]Conclusions[/B]

Panasonic’s Blu Ray media predictive quality rating is 51%, [B]a poor result for this high end brand[/B], which OEMs its own media.

The rating should trend up by 10-20% as more user reviews appear, but is limited at
this time by a significant problem in Panasonic BD-RE technology.

Panasonic Blu ray media failure mode primarily affects BD-RE media, which appears
to fail after a low number of rewrite cycles (20-30).

At this time, [B]despite Panasonic’s outstanding record as a manufacturer of DVD media,
we cannot recommend [/B] the brand’s Blu Ray media products.
We expect this to change in the future, when Panasonic fixes its BD-RE production problems.


#5

[QUOTE=franz99;2618095]Hello !

What do you experts think about an article like this one:

[B]« Blu Ray Media: Panasonic Review »[/B]


(published February 2011)[/QUOTE]

It continues to be a thorn in my side to see that web site. The author of that blog stopped by this forum to make us aware of it when it started. We attempted to explain to him that some of the presumptions he was basing his statistical analysis on might be inherently flawed. Unfortunately statistics are only as valid as the assumptions used. Apparently even our preeminent media expert pepst was unable to help him understand. Attempts by myself to post comments trying to update the information there have been ignored.
At this point, it is tragically wrong about so many things that it is a shame some people might make purchasing decisions based on it.


#6

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2618102]At this point, it is tragically wrong about so many things that it is a shame some people might make purchasing decisions based on it.[/QUOTE]

Wait … this thread is about BD-R and this blogger is ranting about BD-RE?

Either I am stupid or I just fail to see the basic connection …


#7

[QUOTE=JeanLuc;2618106]Wait … this thread is about BD-R and this blogger is ranting about BD-RE?

Either I am stupid or I just fail to see the basic connection …[/QUOTE]

Don’t know you well enough to comment on your IQ ;), but you’re right. There is no connection. Yet he apparently stumbled across some bad reviews of Panasonic BD-RE’s and using their flawed statistical formulas he arrived at the conclusion that " we cannot recommend the brand’s Blu Ray media products".

Yes, I heard you all say “WHAT!!” from here :D. He also failed to understand just how quickly media marketing changes. For instance, if TDK branded BD-R’s were to suddenly change from high quality made in Japan by TDK media to another less reliable manufacturer(which they did), his recommendations are instantly wrong.

Tried to explain to him that weighting their results based on past brand name approval is worse than useless in too many cases. Weighting by MID may have given him some useful results, but I don’t think he had any intention of taking the time to try to become a little more knowledgeable on the subject of media manufacturing. Just crunchin’ some numbers and making it appear sophisticated enough to mislead folks into thinking it might be meaningful :disagree::bigsmile:.

As I said, it appears he has moved on to some other world-shaking endeavor, and attempts to post comments and try to help keep it updated and maybe a little useful are completely ignored. That’s a shame.


#8

[QUOTE=franz99;2618095]Hello !

What do you experts think about an article like this one:

[B]« Blu Ray Media: Panasonic Review »[/B]


(published February 2011)[/QUOTE]

franz99,

your link has nothing to do with the media concerning in this thread!!!
This thread is about [B]Archival grade media![/B]


#9

Not that difficult to stumble across “bad” BDRE media … since the beginning of CDRW, we have all experienced that rewriteable media is often inferior and more delicate to handle when being compared to their write-once counterparts.

We did experience that, too … years back when e.g. Verbatim started to use Moser Baer for manufacturing and you pratically had to perform a lucky guess to get good MCC003 or MCC004.

MID is a way to go, but who else remembers fake Taiyo Yuden’s from China?

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2618141]As I said, it appears he has moved on to some other world-shaking endeavor, and attempts to post comments and try to help keep it updated and maybe a little useful are completely ignored. That’s a shame.[/QUOTE]

Damn right … especially when you take into consideration that even real authorities on hardware-related issues like BDR writing quality still haven’t reached a conclusion on what is acceptable and what isn’t.


#10

[QUOTE=chef;2618161]franz99,

your link has nothing to do with the media concerning in this thread!!!
This thread is about [B]Archival grade media![/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry Chef :o

The subject brought up is a real irritation to me and I let it take me much too far OT.

Please keep us updated about availability of the new Panasonics. I am anxious to see which burner(s) specifically that Panasonic has certified the 100 year media in. A footnote on the page you linked mentions need for a specific burner to achieve that longevity.


#11

No probs, probably someone just overread something. :wink:

I stumbled about that site by accident, sometimes its interesting when you perform a web-search. :slight_smile:

I didn’t expect this (even it does only cover the normal BD media) …
http://www.tuvdotcom.com/quality_marks/0000000050?locale=en

Longetivity:
http://www.tuvdotcom.com/keywords/441?locale=en


#12

[QUOTE=deanwitty;2618030]Thanks chef for the heads-up on these :flower:

With most media manufacturers in a race to see who can make the cheapest, cr@ppiest BD-R’s and still get people to buy them because they’re not ALWAYS bad :rolleyes:, any news about a manufacturer raising the bar and actually dumping some cash into R&D to improve their media brightens my day :clap::bigsmile:. Be interesting to see if FTI takes up the challenge and takes their 50 year BD-R’s to 100 like Panasonic.

Another news release about these mentions they won’t be for sale till 2nd quarter of the year. I’m sure I’ll have to pay to ship them from Japan to get a look at them :(. Not a lot of US sellers offering Panasonic.[/QUOTE]

So are the Panasonic archival grades good for 100 year archiving ?


#13

Tests say yes. But we won’t know for another 90 years how well they hold up. :bigsmile:


#14

That’s great because i own 5 expensive japanese Panasonic Archival Grade Blu ray media.
I trust those more then the M-Disc Blu ray anyway since m-disc is made by ritek i dont trust those at all.


#15

I am with you. I also buy the Panasonic discs instead…


#16

For Blu ray media everyone should be :smiley:


#17

Here are three more linkys:


https://archivebluray.com/product-tag/lm-brs5mqb25/
http://storageorbits.com/index.php/lm-brs5mqb25-panasonic-50gb-archive-grade-25-disc-spindle.html

Eh?!?!?
http://five-star8.rssing.com/chan-5384924/all_p20.html


#18

[QUOTE=chef;2748370]Here are three more linkys:


https://archivebluray.com/product-tag/lm-brs5mqb25/
http://storageorbits.com/index.php/lm-brs5mqb25-panasonic-50gb-archive-grade-25-disc-spindle.html

Eh?!?!?
http://five-star8.rssing.com/chan-5384924/all_p20.html[/QUOTE]

Yes that are the ones but i have the japanese version of those mostly sold piece by piece.


#19

Anyone not trusting Ritek and choosing Panasonic instead might be worried by the news I’ve just read :slight_smile:
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https://www.ritek.com/about3


#20

Why worries? WHO actually does produce AD media overseas???

See this: http://www.cdrlabs.com/news/ritek-to-produce-300gb-archival-discs-for-panasonic.html