Omg. 20 hours later. it works

nec2510a maddog rebadge with Dual layer support- herries 107v2b5

dvdinfo pro AND dvdbitsetter

Memorex 4x dvdr+ NOW burn at 8x+ perfectly with dvd decrypter (suppose i can TRY nero but why bother?)

burn in just under 10 minutes ( 4.4 gig ISO) and plays on stand alone apex - the nec drive- and portable awm dvd player.

Lets just hope it works tomarrow.