Now I know what good media is



Verbatim +R 16x
Made In Taiwan

Burned @ 8x on my 712A with Nero 6 after a Plextools FE/TE run … :bow:


Well JeanLuc, the media is rated twice your burn speed. :stuck_out_tongue:

But I agree, MCC004 is one of the best.


RICOHJPNR03 is also rated twice but sucks big time … as well as Philips C16 :bigsmile:


They sucks @8x?
I think it’s because 712a fw 1.05/1.06 does not support all these new 16x media yet. I mean there’s no writing strategies in the fw1.05/1.06 yet, right?
I envy you, you have those 16x media there? Only Verb 16x +R and -R here. :sad:


Try FujilFilm 8x DVD+R Made in Japan media - its excellent at 8x, even at 12x.


There doesn’t necessarily have to be a writing strategy since all the information the drive needs for a proper burn is present in the ADIP.

But the ADIP cannot be hald responsible for variations of the disc quality over the disc itself …


Notice those very straight lines with only slight variability at the beginning and end of the disc on the FE/TE. That’s a hallmark of the better (+R) Verbatim media, and I see something very similar every time I’ve FE/TE scanned it. The other “recommended” media (TY, MXL) do not produce such straight lines.


Right, I did notice the same thing … and good FE/TE is not only about small absolute values (which don’t mean anything since nobody knows what the scales mean anway), but about little variation over the disc radius as well.

What I noticed with TY +R (mostly YUDEN000T01) is that the Focus Error is considerably low and constant while the Tracking Error starts and ends with high values when being compared to the disc’s middle part.


Coud you tell if it is possible to distinguish between “MCC-004”
made in Taiwan, Japan , Singapore or even somewhere else
by some different letters that you can read in the “'Media Block Code” shown in DVD Identifier (Option at the bottom on the right of the window)

Some people use to do this with “MCC-003” MID codes …

« The older ones have “Rl…c” in the media code :

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F

00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 

00000020 30 33 00 38 23 54 37 15 02 52 6C 02 B4 63 15 15

00000030 0B 0A 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00

The newer (and better according to reports at CDFreaks): “Bn…k” in the media code »


Ricoh R03 doesn’t suck at all, it is plextor which sucks on that media. Taiyo Yuden 8x -R media @ 16x turns out a lot better Ricoh R03:

Also note that LG 12x writing on 16x media is faster than Plextor 16x writing, so you have to compare LG 12x results to Plextor 16x results…


My RICOHJPNR03 are Ricoh branded and do not write very well … my LG 4163 even produces POF on them whereas the Plextor burns are still readable.

And I still don’t see why 12x Z-CLV (LG) should burnfaster than 16x CAV …


And I still don’t see why 12x Z-CLV (LG) should burnfaster than 16x CAV …
Why do I get the impression that you have never tried Ricoh R03 media on your LG 4163B? Maybe because 16x DVD+R media is written at 7.3x-12x P-CAV when setting the write speed to 12x and because only 8x media is written using Z-CLV at 12x?

  1. - RICOHJPNR03 on 4163B


The latter is my information on the LG’s writing strategy …


LOL Your thread says exactly what i’ve said, when you just read the words and do not only look at the picture

12x Z-CLV on 8x media (like Ricoh R02)
12x P-CAV on 16x media (like Ricoh R03)

Unfortunately, Nero DVD Speed is too stupid to set the write speed on that drive. Let’s see if I can get a 12x P-CAV screenshot when using cdrecord to set the write speed… i’ll add it to that thread in the LG forum

Concerning you bad result with Ricoh R03: Indeed very bad. The batch of Ricoh R03 I have produces perfect results at 12x :open_mouth:


Right, I see my misunderstanding …


Screenshot is added there…