Disc Doctor !! , after my experience , euphoria at getting my stuff back + claims by manufacturer -V- factual let down , and still no data , I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, I even got the motorised one to eliminate as much human error as possible.....
oh well , back to the electric drill + rust removal wire brush , polishing doesn't seem to work ! .
I would have thought that some clever person would have designed some software for the above , I mean it must help to be able to have a rough idea of how afr from the centre a damaged area is for manual polishing, I would have thought tha someone would have coded some nice software that would allow you to put disc in drive a, rip what you can to HD, then place in drive b and do the same for what drive a couldn't read, then stitch them together to get a complete file , maybe there is and i just don't know what i am looking for.
Anyway , I appreciate the help and will keep checking to see if anyone can come up with something , who knows. I miss "the day the earth caught fire " and " The weak and the Wicked " type films .