Newer NeRo is almost out 4089 [read it here on cdfreaks]



Yes while surfin tha i-net i found this, to share it with you my “friends”

The new nero is commin while tha latest nero hasn’t yet off been released i give you this info…:

whats new:
This new version has some new features, these being VQF technology (Transform-domain Weighted Interleave Vector Quantization), can encode at a much lower bit rate without compromising its CD quality. Therefore VQF compression can reduce the amount of data to less than 1/12 the original sound, and typically to 30% less than MP3 files. In the future, VQF will play an increasing part in emerging new standards such as MPEG 4.0. Also, some new CD Recorders are supported like Toshiba’s new Combo drive and the new 8x re-writers, and the new Sanyo CD Recorders that have Burn-Proof technology. New CD formats, CD-ROM UDF and UDF/ISO (Bridge), Video CD creation. Other features include WMA (MS Audio format), the setting of audio track limits (wav-splitting). Useful to divide one huge WAV-file into several tracks. Audio filters Stereo widening, Fade In/Out, Normalize, DeClick, Hiss reduction and a 20 band graphical equalizer

[for a screen dump of the equalizer]

The VQF Technology that has been added to this software allows the user to store over 200 song titles to one CD-R.
You will need to have a PC that has a VQF or compatible player installed to play the songs back.

The following info was obtained from VQF.COM (comments from using the Sound VQ technology from Yamaha).
VQF is a new audio compression format. It is similar to MP3 (Mpeg Layer 3) in one regard: it takes large sound files, and compresses them down to very small (it’s all relative files. It does its job much better than MP3s as well. There are three very important aspects to sound encoding:

  1. File size:

VQF files are approximately 30-35% smaller than MP3 files. Example: You have a 5 minute song, on CD. The WAV file you would rip would be ~50MB. The MP3 file, and 128kbps and 44kHz, would be about 4.5MB, with some sound quality loss. The VQF file, at 44kHz, and 96kbps (an 80kbps VQF is about the same as a 128kbps MP3), is about 3.5MB!

  1. Sound quality:

As I have already touched on, the sound quality of VQFs is much better than MP3s; they are almost as good as the original WAV files. A 80kbps VQF is as good as a 128kbps MP3 file. A 96kbps VQF has quality almost as good as that of a 256kbps MP3 (and is one quarter of the size).

  1. CPU usage:

This is the one area where VQFs are more cumbersome than MP3s. However, they were meant to be so. When MP3s were developed, Pentiums were king. Nowadays, with Pentium IIs, and other multimedia enhanced computers, the load can be handled by most people. This is what allows it to pack as much (or more) sound data into a 30% smaller file!! Example: CPU usage playing 128kbps MP3 on my computer: about 15-20%. A VQF is about 30%. Not that much of a difference, if you really think about it!

So, what are the drawbacks:

  1. Not many files out there yet

This file format is brand spanking new!!! While you can find thousands and thousands of MP3s out there, the number of VQFs is comparatively tiny. But this is only a matter of time. Once people begin to realize how incredible these are, their popularity will skyrocket.

  1. Encoding is relatively slow

I believe this to be a combination of two factors: 1) Better compression ratios mean more thinking time on the encoder’s part. This is pretty simple: if it’s going to pack as much stuff into less space, it has to work harder, which takes more time. 2) The encoder is new, as well. We are certain that Yamaha has not spent the time necessary to fine tune the encoder. Once they take the time to optimize it, we are certain it will be much better than it is now.

Just for clarification: A 50MB wav file takes about 10-15 minutes to encode on a K6-233 with the priority set up to ‘high’. However, you can run multiple instances of the encoder at any given time (good for encoding over night or while you’re at work/school). And now, starting with version 2.50b1 of the Yamaha encoder, you can encode files in batches. That is, you can get a group of wav files, and set up the encoder to encode one file after another.

VQF files can only be played on a PC with a VQF compatible Player, Winamp has a plugin for this, and there are some others as well. Ahead will also be launching a Player (Nero Media Player) for VQF files as well as other formats as shown below.

Nero Media Player Fully capable encoder, can encode to VQF or MP3
Fully capable decoder, can decode VQFs, MP3s to WAV file
Can record from the line-in to WAV, MP3, or VQF on the fly!
Seeks in all file types, including VQF
CD Recording, and Virtual Capture
Skins capable
Cost - FREE!!!

More info on VQF can be found at WWW.VQF.COM.

Well, looks like Nero is out on it’s own here by supporting both MP3 & VQF encoding, and should do well…

We have not done any tests on timings etc, but looking at the results at VQF.COM, things are looking good. The only thing that Nero now lacks is the extensive tools for Audio files like WinOnCD 3.7 PE has that allow the user to cut and paste wav file(s)… We hope that this can be added in the near future, as this would be a welcome addition to this CDR Application

We had trouble getting Nero to make any coasters on our system here, even without having a Burn-Proof capable drive. We have been asked by lots of people that visit us (friends and family) that have a CD Recorder in their PC, and they moan like crazy when they see our CD Recorders working flat out without falling over, all I can say is that we make sure our PC’s are set up do do the job in hand, and not to play games on. OK… yes a coaster can be made if we abort the burn, but when on the Internet, reading a file from across our in house network, or running around 10 apps at once the software and the CD Recorders just keeps on going. We can even burn files across our network that we have here from one PC that has a 10mb/s network card via the 10/100mb/s dual speed hub to the PC that has two CD Recorders in it using a 100mb/s network card, this PC also doubles up as our Gateway / Firewall and Mail Server PC to the Internet.

Today’s PC’s and the technology used in them have come a long way in the last two years, and as we have found out, to have a stable PC, a decent motherboard is required. We have a PC Chips motherboard here, and it’s a pig to get to work with ATAPI CD Recorders, but SCSI works first time every time. Also, other hardware / software plays a big part in this as well, here we have had problems with Windows 98 SE on one system with a CD Recorder in it, but as soon as Windows 98 FE is installed, all works well.

Nero has loads of nice features, but for us, this is not our preferred CD Burning application, but other users will find it just right for them, it’s easy to use, has drag and drop, and a range of other options as well.

This version gets the thumbs up from us here.

Multi-functional user interface Explorer-like
drag & drop within Nero and from File Manager/Explorer
built-in file browser
display of CD-content, information and summary windows toolbar, status, multiple documents, tips
context-sensitive help
complete Word and Acrobat-manual on CD
multilanguage English, Japanese, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch Danish, Portugese

Burn options Track-at-Once and Disc-at-Once
performance test
multiple copies
automated process of performance testing followed by
automatic selection of maximum speed, simulation and burning
dynamically disables auto-insert-notification

CD-Rom supports ISO Level 1 + 2
supports Joliet with 2 byte characters
supports ISO Mode 1 and XA Mode 2
supports ISO, ASCII and DOS character sets
user selectable relaxations of ISO/Joliet requirements
dynamic conversion of filenames to ISO
single track “on-the-fly” up to 8x
caching of small files or from disks and network
editable file structure and file names
multisession with track-linking
full OFAS support (optimal file access speed)
HFS support
ISO/HFS-Hybrid support
UDF support

Plus loads of other options as well…

[thnx to my ‘friends’ at cdrwcentral]

[This message has been edited by Ruff-Next_Gangsta (edited 12 March 2000).]


Your posting on VQF is all wrong. VQF by no means is a ‘CD quality’ solution, but can be useful if you need to archive a lot of songs for playing with PC & multimedia speakers.

VQF does have a good frequecy response, but in blurs the details from the music. The quality of VQF-96kbps is about the quality of MP3-128kbps. The MP3 has more detail, but VQF outperforms in freq response. If I had to choose between these two BAD alternatives, I’d take the MP3-129kbps.

In order to get CD quality sound from encoded files you need to:
-Encode at the minimum of 192kbps
-Encode in stereo
-Use a good encoder

Good encoders:
-LAME ( for Easy CDDA plug)
-Fraunhofer RADiUM release

Don’t use these:
-AudioActive 1.54
MP3 Producer 2.1
(these two encode in JStereo up to 224kbos)
-XING (fast but sounds like shit)
-BladeEnc (LAME is faster & better & free)



You got a point there yeah.